Do other Christian denominations accept homosexuality for their own convenience?

[Peter_J]

I don’t have any romantic or intense loving feeling of deep affection toward strangers I come in contact with in daily life. I love my family members with an intense feeling of deep affection, but I don’t love strangers. Of course, I wish them well, but my emotional feeling of deep loving affection toward them is non-existent and is better described as more or less neutral. For example, I have no romantic or intense loving feeling of deep emotional affection toward Hillary. Does that mean that I am committing mortal sin since I have no romantic or intense loving feeling of deep affection toward homosexuals?

Huh?

 

[Peter_J]

In fact, there are more quotes regarding the status of homosexuality than references to the trinity (the actual word “trinity” isn’t in the New Testament), yet, we don’t argue endlessly about that. Most Christians believe in the trinity, despite the word not actually appearing in the bible.

Hi Catholic farmer.

I hope it won’t seem like I’m stabbing you in the back by saying this, but I believe I’m coming to see how arguments like the above actually sidetrack away from what the Church says about homosexuality, and thus push people further away.

 

[Peter_J]

At my market stall here in rural Ireland, a middle aged Englishman came up , looked at a few things, a long with several other people, then announced loudly, " I will go and get my HUSBAND"

I lost many sales through sheer embarrassment.

Certainly, I think it was wrong for him to make you lose sales (whether that was his mission or not). But I’m not sure I understand *why *the incident caused people not to buy from you – do you believe that they associated your stall with homosexuality (guilt by association) because of the man saying that? Or do you think that understood that he had no connection to you, but couldn’t bring themselves to buy anything because they felt embarrassed by what he said?

 

[jlhargus]

We all have to control our passions, whether gay or straight. So, you aren’t gay? Okay, sure you don’t have that cross to bear, but do you still self-abuse or watch porn? Do you treat your spouse with dignity, or are they merely an object for your pleasure? Do you look outside your relationship for sexual pleasure? Just because you’re straight doesn’t mean your safe from sin or somehow more entitled to receiving God’s Body and Blood. None of us deserve the grace that comes from the sacraments.

We all should stop concentrating so much on types of sins and pointing fingers at others who are ‘worse’ in our own minds. Grave sin is grave sin. We aren’t on opposing teams here. We are all struggling together towards a common blessed eternity. Reach out and help those struggling next to you. Love each other and help each other. God bless all.

Yes we all have to control our passions, whether gay or straight and we all must repent of mortal sin to receive God’s Body and Blood. The problem is not with repentant homosexuals receiving the Eucharist that is great. The problem is changing the gospel making a mortal sin a good.

 

[jlhargus]

At one time, there were many Christians who believed that black people were inferior to white people because they bore the “curse of Cain” and they used this to justify slavery. To these Christians, this teaching was very clear in the Bible. Just because something was taught and believed in the past does not make it correct.

True, but It was not universally believed or held as a dogma by the Church nor was it held by all Christians from the beginning. Homosexual acts have been universally held and taught by God’s people, even your denomination, from Moses to now as mortal sin and contrary to natural law.

There are 46 English Bible translations by different denominations, literal and liberal, from the 1600 hundreds till today on Bible Gateway. They all agree on homosexual acts.

[1Cor6:9 **Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.]

legacy.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Corinthians%206:9 View 46 Different English Bible translations of 1Cor6:9

[1Tm1:9 **Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;]

legacy.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Timothy%201:10 View 46 different English Bible translations of 1Tm1:10.

[Rms1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: **for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.]

legacy.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Romans%201:26 View 46 Different English Bible translations of Rms1:26.

legacy.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Romans%201:27 View 46 different English Bible translations of Rms1:27.

 

[BornInMarch]

Those denominations would argue that the biblical verse condemning homosexuality is misinterpreted, or they would argue that that rule was one of the Old Testament Rules that got cancelled in the New Testament (like the restriction against eating pork and shellfish).

You could argue that those interpretations are flimsy excuses, but I think doing so would be really mean. When having a debate or conversation, you HAVE to start with the assumption that the other side is sincere in their belief. A rational debate can NOT happen if you do not give the other side at least that.

 

[Peter_J]

repentant homosexuals

Is that like “repentant heterosexuals”?

 

[Peter_J]

True, but It was not universally believed or held as a dogma by the Church nor was it held by all Christians from the beginning.

Do you believe contraception is wrong?

Is see your profile says “Religion: Catholic”.

 

[Thorolfr]

If you lived there, you know that I am not speaking about holding hands and quick pecks, lol! Hence my comparison to New Orleans after dark.

I first marched in the pride parade in San Francisco in 1982 with the contingent from the gay Catholic group Dignity and I’ve been to a lot of pride parades since then both as a marcher and as a bystander. The stuff that you obviously consider to be “flaunting” has never bothered me much. Also, pride parades are mostly for LGBT people and their friends to meet and have a good time. If straight people go to pride parades and are offended, then they should just stay home and not go to these parades.

 

[Thorolfr]

No. I can’t agree with engaging in love with homosexuals. Sorry.

So you have decided to disregard one of what Jesus said are the greatest commandments:

According to Mark 12:

28 One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, “Which commandment is the first of all?” 29 Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one; 30 you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

 

[Tagetes]

The only thing I care about (on this thread) is the usurpation of the rainbow. People let me please have the rainbow back, let me please enjoy Gods wonders, without it being about sex.

Why is it our fault that you equate attraction with sex?

No. I can’t agree with engaging in love with homosexuals. Sorry.

Yes, thank you, we’ve noticed that for many engaging in hate for us is for some reason more appealing.

 

[Tomdstone]

So you have decided to disregard one of what Jesus said are the greatest commandments:

According to Mark 12:

With regard to engaging in love with homosexuals, I would not agree with that. I am neutral toward homosexuals. I don’t hate them, and I treat them as I treat anyone else. But if a homosexual attempted to engage in love with me, I would fiercely resist. I’ll let you do the loving with them.

 

[Thorolfr]

With regard to engaging in love with homosexuals, I would not agree with that. I am neutral toward homosexuals. I don’t hate them, and I treat them as I treat anyone else. But if a homosexual attempted to engage in love with me, I would fiercely resist. I’ll let you do the loving with them.

Jesus wasn’t talking about having sex with your neighbor when he said, “Love your neighbor as yourself”

 

[Tomdstone]

Jesus wasn’t talking about having sex with your neighbor when he said, “Love your neighbor as yourself”

What does engage in love mean to you? How do you personally engage in love and love your homosexual neighbors? What does the word love mean to you?

 

[Thorolfr]

What does engage in love mean to you? How do you personally engage in love and love your homosexual neighbors? What does the word love mean to you?

Love, of course, can have different connotations depending on the context. In the context of the command to “Love your neighbor as yourself,” it would mean something like this definition found in the dictionary Merriam-Webster:

“a : unselfish loyal and benevolent concern for the good of another: as (1) : the fatherly concern of God for humankind (2) : brotherly concern for others”

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/love

 

[Tomdstone]

Love, of course, can have different connotations depending on the context. In the context of the command to “Love your neighbor as yourself,” it would mean something like this definition found in the dictionary Merriam-Webster:

"a : unselfish loyal and benevolent concern for the good of another:

Seems to be a watered down definition of love. How do you show your benevolent concern for your homosexual neighbor? Will you bake a cake for a homosexual couple and out of your benevolence, not charge them anything for it? Will you attend their wedding anniversary and show your benevolence there?

 

[at9009]

What does engage in love mean to you? How do you personally engage in love and love your homosexual neighbors? What does the word love mean to you?

Might be better for you to indicate how you feel would be a way of expressing love that is in agreement with your religious beliefs rather than just shut down the conversation by saying you won’t love. All that will do is ensure any person who is gay and possibly thinking of a Catholic viewpoint to be pushed further away from the truth and not to it and probably discourage the numerous celibate gay/ssa Christians who feel that many traditional Christians at best merely tolerate their existence.

 

[Tomdstone]

Might be better for you to indicate how you feel would be a way of expressing love that is in agreement with your religious beliefs rather than just shut down the conversation by saying you won’t love. All that will do is ensure any person who is gay and possibly thinking of a Catholic viewpoint to be pushed further away from the truth and not to it and probably discourage the numerous celibate gay/ssa Christians who feel that many traditional Christians at best merely tolerate their existence.

Can you tell us how do you love your homosexual neighbors? Will you bake a wedding cake for them?

 

[at9009]

Can you tell us how do you love your homosexual neighbors? Will you bake a wedding cake for them?

So you solution to my question is to deflect and ask me? I was genuinely interested in your perspective. I would like to know what you would consider loving and what you would consider not loving. My opinion and views are basically irrelevant in that case.

Also kinda of presumptuous to assume that all homosexual people must be sexual active and must be trying to push a same sex affirming lifestyle on you forcing you to bake a cake.

 

[Thorolfr]

Can you tell us how do you love your homosexual neighbors? Will you bake a wedding cake for them?

Putting aside the issue of wedding cakes, if a homosexual couple moved into the house or apartment next to you, would it be so bad to bake a regular cake for them as a house warming gift or stop by and introduce yourself and just try to make them feel welcome?

Or what if a homosexual neighbor came to your door and asked to if you had any canned food to spare because they were short? I have a poor neighbor who came to my door recently and said she was out of food and I gave her some of my spare canned food that I had in my pantry. I didn’t tell her that I could only help her out if she’s a good Christian.