Do people who are influenced by their environment, upbringing or psychological problems go to hell and isn’t the ignorance of those who do not believe

[WillPhillips]

Do you want to reconsider that claim before you assert it so absolutely? It’s trivial to refute it. Ready?
From the catechism:

1033 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."617 The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

1036 The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny.

V. THE LAST JUDGMENT

1038 The resurrection of all the dead, “of both the just and the unjust,” will precede the Last Judgment. This will be “the hour when all who are in the tombs will hear [the Son of man’s] voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.” … And [those who have done evil] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Trivial to refute? Read it again. I’d say the catechism you quote here backs up my claim. There is no support from the Church for NON-REDEMPTIVE PUNISHMENT. If you can show me a quote or papal support for such an idea, I’m all ears. (Self-professed Catholics believe many non-theologically consistent things, as I’m sure you’re aware…this idea of hell/punishment is one of them)

 

[Techno2000]

The biggest problem I have is that if hell is an eternity isn’t that a little cruel, considering that environmental and psychological factors can influence and shape an individuals mindset and life?

If, much is given , much is expected…If little is given, little is expected…God will determine the responsibility of each person.

 

[poche]

It is certain that God takes into account the various environmental situations that people encounter when He sits in judgement over them.
“To whom much is given, much will be required.”

 

[EndTimes]

It is certain that God takes into account the various environmental situations that people encounter when He sits in judgement over them.

Yes… The CCC clearly points that out.

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[Gorgias]

Trivial to refute? Read it again. I’d say the catechism you quote here backs up my claim.

Yep: “trivial.” Let’s review what you claimed, oh-so-many days ago, and which I re-stated in order to give you a chance to back away from the claims…

• the Church does not teach that hell is an eternal state of being?
• God has not revealed that this is so?
• the Church doesn’t teach that hell isn’t incompatible with God’s nature?

So… “the Church does not teach that hell is an eternal state”?

1036 The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God

1038 And [those who have done evil] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

“God has not revealed that this is so”?

1038 The resurrection of all the dead, “of both the just and the unjust,” will precede the Last Judgment. This will be “the hour when all who are in the tombs will hear [the Son of man’s] voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.”

(This is literally a quotation of Jesus’ words, from John 5:28.)

And finally, “the Church doesn’t teach that hell isn’t incompatible with God’s nature”…?

1033 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”

So, literally, this isn’t a reflection on God’s nature, but on human free choice.

So, in summary… yeah. The Church teaches what you claim it doesn’t teach, and the Catechism bears that out.

If you can show me a quote or papal support for such an idea, I’m all ears.

So, literally, I’ve just done so. Twice, now. That’s the Catechism that I’m quoting from. What more of a “quote” do you require?

 

[WillPhillips]

Yep: “trivial.” Let’s review what you claimed, oh-so-many days ago, and which I re-stated in order to give you a chance to back away from the claims…

Gorgias:

• the Church does not teach that hell is an eternal state of being?

• God has not revealed that this is so?
• the Church doesn’t teach that hell isn’t incompatible with God’s nature?

I’ll engage (since it seems this thread is pretty much dead anyway).

You’re great at straw-manning.

To directly answer your three re-stated “claims”:

1. Yes, the Church teaches hell is eternal
2. The Church teaches he has, yes
3. Of course not (really?)

Does this work?
My claim: The Church does not teach of hell as non-redemptive punishment (a good thing, since that goes against our sensibilities as humans). The verbiage of the catechism specifically does not say this (as you’ve posted it above). If you believe in some sort of “punishment with no purpose/learning wrath of God” version of hell, then I would confidently assert, this is not a version affirmed by the Church (and yes, many Christians believe this).

 

[Gorgias]

You’re great at straw-manning.

That’s funny. You made claims. I put them back out there, and you didn’t deny that they were your claims. Then, I showed that the catechism refuted them. “Straw man”? Hardly.

You claim that I repackaged your claims inappropriately. Let’s go back to your posts and see if you said what I’m saying you said…

The idea of eternal suffering, without redemption, is incompatible with the idea of a moral, all powerful god.

Is hell eternal? Yep. Does it lead to a state of redemption, or is it a terminal state? Terminal. Does the catechism affirm this? Yep.

Of course he has not. Nor does the Church teach it.

Seriously… the catechism literally teaches it, and it’s been quoted to you.

At this point, I have only one response:
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[Hume]

There is no definitive answer to your question, friend. “We don’t/can’t know” and “God alone sits in judgment” is about the best Catholicism in the 21st century is willing or able to provide.

You even seemed a bit unsure that hell is real in posing your question. If that’s so, who could describe an aspect of an uncertain thing with any certainty?

Just food for thought.

 

[OneSheep]

Source: Fatima in Lucia’s Own Words. 1976, Fatima, Portugal: Postulation Centre. Distributed by Ravengate Press, pp. 29-30.

Please remember that Catholics are not obliged to believe private revelations.

Now the idea of “we don’t know if anyone is in hell” could be consoling, but the fact is that we do. Our Lady of Fatima showed the three shepherd children. And you could say that “you don’t have to believe private revelation,” but if the Church says that people can, then it’s real.

People can believe private revelations, but we are not obligated to do so. The Church has never definitively said that there are people in hell.

First of all, Hell IS eternal.

The definition of “eternal” is a point of controversy.

For a more comprehensive, though brief, commentary on the topic:

 

[EndTimes]

The biggest problem I have is that if hell is an eternity isn’t that a little cruel, considering that environmental and psychological factors can influence and shape an individuals mindset and life?

Since those factors - of course - connect with God’s Assessments -
Being Judgement Itself - God shall never make an unJust Judgement
Tis Joyful to avoid Sin