Do pro-lifers have an obligation to care for pregnant women and the lives of those after they born?

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Your answer conveniently places all the blame on women when there are men out there who contribute to the pregnancy of women.

You can post and post, but no amount of stating that women should only be housewives and mothers is going to change the fact that women get pregnant out of wedlock. Ever looked at stats for states that are more conservative? It’s interesting to note that while they claim to be part of “the Bible belt” their rates of divorce are still high, along with the rates of teenage pregnancy. So obviously, there is a lot more going on than insisting one must give a daughter a “good book on homemaking.”

And furthermore, there is also evidence to state that women who are able to obtain a college education are in a better situation to care for them selves along with children. There’s also nothing-- I repeat, NOTHING-- in Catholic teaching which states that the only roles women ought to have are wife and mother.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_let_29061995_women_en.html

If you’re going to go off about women “not knowing their place,” in relation to this issue, I’d like to see what you have to say about men. Are men going to be instructed on how to respect ALL women, and how to make wise decisions about choosing a wife? Are men going to be expected to learn how to be husband and fathers in the way that Catholic teaching expects?
I never said anything about women in the workplace or denied it. However the workplace should always be secondary to motherhood.

As I said to you before, young women need to be taught the concept of good christian motherhood and homemaking. Catholic teaching shows that motherhood is a pinnacle and great gift, so important that it is right behind chastity. Do you know how the traditional catholic family acted during the middle ages and apostolic era? It was NOT like how families operate today. The women were modest, quiet, respectful, covered, and would NEVER think of running around with boys and get pregnant. And when the issue of a husband came up it was the decision of the FAMILY, not just one person. Even the patriarch prophets in the OT asked the fathers for their daughters hand in marriage. Its called chivalry. Society should try it sometime
 
Good grief, we don’t live in the Middle Ages anymore! If you want to go back to that and espouse your values to reflect such an arrangement, be my guest and start a new thread. You continue to point the finger to young women but fail to recognize the fact that men have a role in this too. I’m ignoring you now.

Your words by the way, are also an insult to men who are SAHD’s, and also to women who aren’t gifted with cooking, sewing, etc. And we don’t live in the OT law anymore, where a woman’s virginity also had monetary value assigned. Please think before you post.
 
Good grief, we don’t live in the Middle Ages anymore! If you want to go back to that and espouse your values to reflect such an arrangement, be my guest and start a new thread. You continue to point the finger to young women but fail to recognize the fact that men have a role in this too. I’m ignoring you now.
stop putting words in my mouth. I never pointed the finger at young women. I am pointed the finger at the ideals society has towards motherhood and marriage. You seem to not be able to listen…Since the young women have no direction from their parents they become easily lead by societies immoral values…This is why you see so many young women dressing immodestly, having sex, illegitimacy, abortion, and being rebellious and swear all the time. They are ingrained into an immoral culture(miley cyrus, birtney speers) that breeds out this rebellious immodest behavior. This leads to the men not respecting women.

And I didn’t say that teaching women good domestic and homemaking skills were just one issue. I also brought up the issues of modesty, respecting parental authority, and homeschooling. A father must keep an eye on their daughter at all costs because it is the parents duty to protect their daughters chastity. No dating and no intermingling with boys unless the parents are there. During free times, the mothers should be teaching their daughters on domestic responsibility, children, homemaking, cooking, sewing, and nurturing skills. So that when the daughter is married and has a child of her own she will know what to do because she has had good mothering skills ingrained into her lifestyle.

What is so bad about that? is society really THAT scared of chivalry and a biblical role model in marriage? Well take a look at the divorce and illegitimacy rates today and compare them a 100 years ago. You will notice families back then followed my role model and families today more follow yours. Yours isn’t working. And its time the US gets back to traditional marital values. The fact that you need to ignore shows how threatened you are…
 
You have a very distorted view of women - they will go into an abortion clinic and let the “strange” doctor rip their baby apart and suction it out of their body but they won’t allow someone to use an ultrasound to look at that baby from outside their body??? Do you even know what an ultrasound machine is? You pull up your shirt, they put some goop on your belly, and they slide a handheld sender around until they find the baby. Then they take some measurements and take pictures.

Man, you are out of touch with this whole issue. Go back to debating some other subject, because you are not going to really help women or the unborn babies. 3,000 babies were slaughtered today, you know, while you bring up ridiculous ideas like expectant mothers won’t allow a “stranger” to give them an ultrasound.

At least maybe you can pray for their souls.
My ideas may be ridiculous in your eyes, but I don’t think your being realistic at all. Your in here complaining about this and that and yet when someone makes a suggestion, your response is to offer a knee-jerk reaction and attack the person. As a friendly suggestion, perhaps you should find another subject that’s not going to upset you so much.
 
A woman with extraordinary skills in homemaking and children will always find a way to take care of her children. Its called maternal instinct. Thus, the parents should encourage this maternal feminine instinct with teaching their daughters about homemaking, cooking, childrearing, nurturing, modesty, temperance(since many modern women tend to spend too much $$ on shallow things),I KNOW!!! I hate it when women show up with $50,000 sports cars and big screen tv’s to watch football games on. And OMG… the best set of golf clubs money can buy. It’s INSANE what women will spend hard earned cash on. and mid-wifery, and most important, the choosing of the correct husband with the help of her parents.
While learning how to be a good mother and home maker is important for many. I believe the real problem lies in the devaluation of women all the way around. Many women want to be mothers. But they may have witnessed mothers that have done nothing but suffer. And generally they suffer at the hand of men that don’t follow God. Because yes, women should submit to their husband. But ONLY when he’s following God’s directions. And well, we see EVERYWHERE, that men don’t do that anymore. Not on average. This is why you hear there are so few good men out there. Because there are SO FEW. Sadly, there are many Catholic men, and men of other Christian faith that like to jump all over the “wife must submit to her husband” quote, but fail to read and understand and implement the whole passage. And all too often you see men that are really upset that their slave won’t do as they’re told. There is a HUGE lack of comprehension here. And well… these words get tossed out without the balance of the passage and it’s no wonder that women that are unfamiliar run for the hills. Slavery has been abolished. Supposedly.
Since the young women have no direction from their parents they become easily lead by societies immoral values…This is why you see so many young women dressing immodestly, having sex, illegitimacy, abortion, and being rebellious and swear all the time. They are ingrained into an immoral culture(miley cyrus, birtney speers) that breeds out this rebellious immodest behavior. This leads to the men not respecting women. Actually, sadly, I feel it’s the lack of respect that men have for women in the FIRST place that has CAUSED this kind of behavior. When women were brought into the workforce during the wars it was insane. Google articles written in popular biz. magazines on how men should treat women in the workforce. It’s a disgrace. When women realized that the ONLY way to make it in a world run by men is to use their sex… it’s been nothing but a downhill battle. Had men treated women with respect in the FIRST PLACE… PAYING them equal wages for EQUAL work. We would not be in the place we are today. Women should not have had to fight the way they did to vote. (in the same way that black people should not have had to fight for their freedom) MEN have allowed the disgrace of women to happen IMO. Women ARE survivors. We do have maternal instincts. And we WILL take care of our babies. But when you make us fight to do it… Then step off. You reap what you sow. In the same way if you send a man into war, he will not return the gentle soul. He will have seen things he should not have. He will KNOW and have experienced horrors that most won’t ever know. He may battle anger, guilt, and dread. He is now a bi product, usually of some man’s attempt at getting all to submit to him. But the soldier now knows how to get along in a world that would otherwise like him to just go be a daddy.

And I didn’t say that teaching women good domestic and homemaking skills were just one issue.
Again, while all these things are fine and dandy… the true issue at hand is that girls need to learn self respect. That their bodies are AMAZING. WE CAN GROW A HUMAN… no man can do that… I don’t care how hard he works WE ROCK!!!

Seriously… Can you imagine the day after work. Hey honey, I closed 3 deals today. As he looks around at a messy house… What did you do today?.. “I GREW A set of LUNGS… Just sitting here… THAT’s HOW AWESOME I AM!!!”

In TODAY’s world girls and women are capable of doing many things. They can be the scientists that cure cancer. They can be the politician that balances the economy… They can do ANYTHING… IF… they respect themselves, and their bodies. And that means being a strong enough teenager to say… NO, you may not have access to my body… If you want access to my body, prove you love me, show me the man you will be, and then we’ll talk (and JUST talk). SHOW ME SOME RESPECT!

And as a mother of boys… I can tell you, they had BETTER be respectfull of the girls and women in their lives. And I’ll do the best I can to teach them too, plus they will ALSO learn how to cook, and clean, and look for a quality woman to marry. As much as I love my ladies… there are some crazies out there… I really hope she’s not my DIL in the future. 'Cause I don’t care WHAT HER DADDY thinks of my kiddo… not if he should be running for his life…

Again, in the end however, Should a girl/woman foolishly allow herself to get PG. I’d MUCH rather her have her baby, and either adopt out. or take assitance and feed and raise her child.
 
Not to mention, the main focus of what we’re discussing here has to do with whether or not the government and taxes should play a role in helping pregnant women with their child before and after birth.
 
this can be solved by teaching young women the tactics, preparation, and teaching the skills of homemaking and preparation for motherhood. So when a woman does get pregnant, she will already be in a stable marriage and she will know what to do when the baby comes.
That is not going to work unless she has access to a reliable source of funding.
You have bought into the idea that the government is the best way to resolve difficult social issues, and it’s not. I’ve brought up various examples, along with others, on how to help women who have a child in difficult circumstances. Sweeping federal government laws to dole out financial assistance is not the best way to do this. My state has a better system to help people in need, along with various charities.
A woman who is pregnant outside of marriage should not be solely dependent upon government aid. I am saying this quite clearly. If a woman does happen to present evidence that she is in need for assistance, such as the boyfriend or whomever got her pregnant refuses to be part of the child’s life, and subsequently wants nothing to do with helping her, and she can show that for some amount of time, she needs help with prenatal care, infant food, etc., then some amount of state aid should be allotted. But she should not be dependent on the state to completely care for her.
And yes, everyone eventually has to own up to their choices and realize that they have to take responsibility for their actions.
My inquiry is about the state of a single mother who has no support from the state but yet the state severely restricts her access to the services of an abortion provider.

Regarding responsibility: isn’t it a responsible action for a pregnant mother to abort a fetus when she realizes that should not be able to raise it due to a lack of monetary and temporal resources? Should we respect her decision to abortion the fetus because she is so averse to the prospect of it living a materially deprived life which the alternative to abortion is not that pleasing?

Well, this recent study shows that a major reason for abortion is because having a baby is a financial burden.
 
That is not going to work unless she has access to a reliable source of funding.

My inquiry is about the state of a single mother who has no support from the state but yet the state severely restricts her access to the services of an abortion provider.

Regarding responsibility: isn’t it a responsible action for a pregnant mother to abort a fetus when she realizes that should not be able to raise it due to a lack of monetary and temporal resources? Should we respect her decision to abortion the fetus because she is so averse to the prospect of it living a materially deprived life which the alternative to abortion is not that pleasing?

Well, this recent study shows that a major reason for abortion is because having a baby is a financial burden.
Hello, I am a graduate of “Pro-life University” with a major in “Been There Done That” and a minor in “side walk counseling” and “pro-life speaking” yet I will resist the temptation to answer your question. Instead, I have a suggestion for you. I see in your religion box that you are “attempting” to be a Catholic. Maybe you should take a break from the political issues of our world and focus on your faith. I suggest that you read the first few chapters of the Gospel of Luke and meditate on Mary’s life and Jesus’s life. God loves you and wants what’s best for you. Turn off the word’s news and listen to His word. Peace be with you.
 
IMO, abortion is a way to rid one of a responsibility-- is it not a responsible action in my book.

Just because the government won’t provide funding doesn’t mean that a woman can’t care for her baby pre- and post-birth. Why are you so focused on the government??

I came across this in a quick search:

healthybeginnings.org/

They are a non-profit organization that provides free prenatal care for expectant mothers. They’re not the only ones that exist either. And there are various groups which provide assistance to mothers after the birth, and most of them are social service agencies which are non-profit and non-governmental. One of them that I know of is (da dada da!) Catholic Charities.

ccspm.org/northsidechilddevelopmentcenter.aspx

This is a center which is run in the state I live in.

I don’t understand the preoccupation with the government having to be the entity to provide the resources to help pregnant women before and after the birth. What about all of the charitable causes which provide for these women? Do they not count because they’re not the government?

I think this problem is representative of the fact that we live in a society which is devoid of community, true community where people know that if they need help, they have a place to turn to. It’s been very rare that I’ve encountered situations which have proven that wrong. One situation that I am aware of is when I used to work with a preteen girl whose mother had very serious health issues and was unable to work. This girl’s mother was single, and there was a sibling as well. I found out that their church actually was the main source for their financial needs, such as paying for their rent, providing money for groceries, clothing, etc.

And I suppose one could ask, what if a woman doesn’t have a church? I don’t think that should bar us in churches from extending a hand to help a woman in such a situation. There is a reason why the saying “it takes a village to raise a child” exists, because these community networks are so important. And as I’ve already mentioned, there are non-sectarian organizations that make it their sole goal to prevent abortions and assist expectant mothers. Feminists for Life does this.

I personally agree with faithfully that our assistance programs provided through the government need some revamping to make sure that people who really are in need are able to get the resources to help them on their feet. But the government should not be depended on entirely, especially not for the entire duration of a child’s life. A combination of private charity supports and government direction should be provided. But there’s a lot more to the obligation to care for pregnant women than simply handing them a check and saying be on your way.
 
Regarding responsibility: isn’t it a responsible action for a pregnant mother to abort a fetus when she realizes that should not be able to raise it due to a lack of monetary and temporal resources?
So, because she might accidentally cause the child to suffer at some point in the future, it means she should kill the child on purpose right now? How is that a “responsible choice”? :confused:

Also, I don’t think they anesthetize the baby when they do abortions, so she isn’t really preventing her child from experiencing suffering - indeed, severe pain and extreme horror will be his last conscious experiences.
 
That is not going to work unless she has access to a reliable source of funding.

My inquiry is about the state of a single mother who has no support from the state but yet the state severely restricts her access to the services of an abortion provider.

Regarding responsibility: isn’t it a responsible action for a pregnant mother to abort a fetus when she realizes that should not be able to raise it due to a lack of monetary and temporal resources? Should we respect her decision to abortion the fetus because she is so averse to the prospect of it living a materially deprived life which the alternative to abortion is not that pleasing?

Well, this recent study shows that a major reason for abortion is because having a baby is a financial burden.
Ohhhhhh… We’re talking about the RESPONSIBLE thing to do… Well, that makes all the difference in the world. If she wants to be RESPONSIBLE… Ummm, I KNOW… DON"T HAVE SEX if you can’t afford the risk of getting pregnant. How hard is that? (only 1% of abortions are reported do to rape, insest and such.)

When is it the “responsible thing to do” to murder a person? I mean, any mother of small children that she’s having a hard time feeding should therefore do the SAME thing by your rationale. Lost your job? Have a whiny 2 y/o to feed? Kill it. Isnt’ that the responsible thing to do? You could gas it. I’m sure it wouldn’t feel a thing. It’s the SAME EXACT thing. Because they are both HUMAN BEINGS!

There is NO requirement to KEEP her baby. And if she has such little regard for her child that she can kill it. Then handing it over to a stranger who will LOVE her child and is perpared to financially support it could NOT be worse than having her child scooped out of her body and thrown into a trash can. If she wants to be responsible AFTER being totally irresponsible, then she should do that!

And NO, we should NOT respect a person’s decision to murder another person. EVER. Especially for monetary gain. Isn’t this what Lacy Peterson’s Husband did? Didn’t he want a better monitary more fun lifestyle? So, hey knock of wife and unborn baby. You’ll note he was convicted of TWO murders!
 
So, because she might accidentally cause the child to suffer at some point in the future, it means she should kill the child on purpose right now? How is that a “responsible choice”? :confused:
It is the infamous “better dead than underfed” argument. At the heart of it it is extortion based on using the child as a pawn in a political game to advance their political views. What they’re saying is unless we adopt their political views on how to best handle social issues in this country these children will die.
 
I think we also need to remember the fact that many expectant mothers in these situations may assume that no one will want to help them, or they may not know where to seek help. So they might choose abortion because they readily know of that decision, but might not know that there’s a church a few blocks away more than willing to help them through their pregnancy and assisting them on their feet after the baby is born. I think we as a Christian community, must take that responsibility.
 
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I think we also need to remember the fact that many expectant mothers in these situations may assume that no one will want to help them, or they may not know where to seek help. So they might choose abortion because they readily know of that decision, but might not know that there’s a church a few blocks away more than willing to help them through their pregnancy and assisting them on their feet after the baby is born. I think we as a Christian community, must take that responsibility.
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Yes, I do find the position of many pro-lifers hypocritical, since they are not willing to endure the expenses, individually or collectively, of the born child after they are born

BTW, do you think such language projects the correct self-image for the pro-life movement when they condescendingly preach to pregnant woman that they are irresponsible? Shouldn’t they have an image of compassion and empathy instead of “tough love” of “personal responsibility”? Do you want to project the stereotype that pro-lifers have little concern over the welfare of the pregnant mother and child (like that blogger you refer to)? I do not see any what victory would be achieve if a child that is born would not have any assistance.

If a pregnant mother understands that she would not garner any sympathy nor bountiful material assistance, society should respect her decision to abort the fetus in her womb, since she does not want to raise a child in an environment of material deprivation.
Yes, I do find the position of many pro-lifers hypocritical, since they are not .willing to endure the expenses, individually or collectively, of the born child after they are
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May I ask where you got the source for the “opinion” expressed above? The Catholic Church provides much assistance to mothers in need of assistance after having their child. You cannot generalize the attitudes of ALL pro lifers with a statement saying we are not willing to endure expenses etc. to help a woman after her child is born. I haven’t met a pro lifer yet who is not willing to dig into the bank account to help out in these instances.
 
I think the topic in question here is whether the government should have a special program to assist pregnant mothers in need completely. Which many of us have established that shouldn’t be necessary because many private and charitable causes do just as much, yet for some reason that isn’t registering.

I actually used to share the viewpoint of the OP not too long ago…as in the last 1.5-2 years. I would say that I was even more pro-choice, so in a way…I know the reasoning behind the perspective, though I no longer agree with it.
 
Actually, sadly, I feel it’s the lack of respect that men have for women in the FIRST place that has CAUSED this kind of behavior. When women were brought into the workforce during the wars it was insane. When women realized that the ONLY way to make it in a world run by men is to use their sex… it’s been nothing but a downhill battle. Had men treated women with respect in the FIRST PLACE… PAYING them equal wages for EQUAL work. We would not be in the place we are today. Women should not have had to fight the way they did to vote. (in the same way that black people should not have had to fight for their freedom) MEN have allowed the disgrace of women to happen IMO. Women ARE survivors.
I have to disagree here. This is a victimization mindset, which tries to justify wrongs because of wrongs. The victimization mindset is a very dysfunctional one. Many marriages have been torn about because of this mindset because it causes women to become emboldened and bitter. It is harmful. Some women even kill their husbands because of this mindset, like that evil wife who murdered her husband who was a pastor. Respect is a synergistic issue. ANYONE can be a victim of something. It seems your saying that men caused women to sexualize themselves for money. This is not true. Prostitution is one of the oldest professions. Some did, because they used sex as a weapon to influence decisions in men. As a form of temptation, knowing that humans are weak and easily led into temptation. This is inexcusable and the woman is just as culpable, if not more, since she is playing the role as a tempter for personal gain and using lust as a tool for person gain. The bible is very clear about women who try to use lust and sex for personal gain. And how such a woman is bitter than wormwood, and that sinful men will become entangled by her.

*I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare. - Ecclesiastes 7:26

For the lips of an immoral woman are as sweet as honey, and her mouth is smoother than oil. But in the end she is as bitter as poison, as dangerous as a double-edged sword. - Proverbs 5:4*

*“The whoredom of a woman may be known in her haughty looks and eyelids. If thy daughter be shameless, keep her in straitly, lest she abuse herself through overmuch liberty.” (Eccles. 26:9-10)

“A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman is a double grace, and her continent mind cannot be valued.” (Eccles. 26:14-15)

“A shameless woman shall be counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will fear the Lord.” (Eccles.26:25)

“For from garments cometh a moth, and from women wickedness. Better is the churlishness of a man than a courteous woman, a woman, I say, which bringeth shame and reproach.” (Eccles. 42:13-14)
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*“Give me any plague, but the plague of the heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman.” (Eccles. 25:13)

“Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die.” (Eccles. 25:22)*

as we can see. The bible very much so condemns women use try to use sex and lust as a form of temptation…Hence it is no excuse.

This happened since the beginning of time, when Eve tempted Adam to take part of the fruit. And since Eve tempted Adam to take part of the fruit, Adam was thus put in authority over her, since Eve was more easily lead to temptation(since Satan went to her first) and to tempt others(her husband Adam). Genesis 3:16.

I don’t know if you have heard of the bra-burner revolution. But this is what started the sexualization of women. They tried to use sexuality to “liberate” themselves from the traditional roles of chastity, modesty, and humility. This in turn effected the role of motherhood, since feminists view it as an “oppressive” institution to them. One way they could attack motherhood and marriage was through abortion. And so they did. Then they pressured in no-fault divorce to be legalized. And since them marriage has been crumbling horribly.
We do have maternal instincts. And we WILL take care of our babies. But when you make us fight to do it… Then step off. You reap what you sow. In the same way if you send a man into war, he will not return the gentle soul. He will have seen things he should not have. He will KNOW and have experienced horrors that most won’t ever know. He may battle anger, guilt, and dread. He is now a bi product, usually of some man’s attempt at getting all to submit to him. But the soldier now knows how to get along in a world that would otherwise like him to just go be a daddy.
but that’s the problem. There are many women who are NOT taking care of their babies, and are instead killing them. You will notice that there is a great decline in young women wanting children. More and more women do not want children. And more and more women are clueless about motherhood because feminism is throwing out the concept of motherhood. Thus young women are clueless about how to take care of children. Instead of mothers taking care of their children its the baby care centers, the relatives, grandparents, or the babysitters. The concept of motherhood is barely existent. And thus, when you have young women growing up in this sort of society, they themselves will become clueless on having good traits in motherhood, marriage, homemaking. Now almost 1 out of 2 people divorce. And because society has such a pesseimitic view of children and motherhood, young women who get pregnant are more inclined to abort their children because their maternal instinct and femininity has been pounded out of them by feminists and dysfunctional roles in marriage.
 
I have to disagree here. This is a victimization mindset, which tries to justify wrongs because of wrongs. The victimization mindset is a very dysfunctional one. Many marriages have been torn about because of this mindset because it causes women to become emboldened and bitter. It is harmful. Some women even kill their husbands because of this mindset, like that evil wife who murdered her husband who was a pastor. Respect is a synergistic issue. ANYONE can be a victim of something. It seems your saying that men caused women to sexualize themselves for money. This is not true. Prostitution is one of the oldest professions. Some did, because they used sex as a weapon to influence decisions in men. As a form of temptation, knowing that humans are weak and easily led into temptation. This is inexcusable and the woman is just as culpable, if not more, since she is playing the role as a tempter for personal gain and using lust as a tool for person gain. The bible is very clear about women who try to use lust and sex for personal gain. And how such a woman is bitter than wormwood, and that sinful men will become entangled by her.

I’m not trying to JUSTIFY bad behavior. I’m explaining HOW IT COMES ABOUT. IF MEN DIDN’T ALLOW IT. IT WOULD NOT EXIST! But too many men are all too happy to abuse their position of “power”. Women end up doing what they can to survive, I don’t actually know of women that think they have GAINED anything when they use sex. They often know they have lost their self respect, their self worth… but they put food on a table, when a man has likely bailed on his responsability. Then realize they can manipulate these men… It’s a downward spiral is my point. But there wouldn’t be prostitutes if they weren’t sought. AND THEY ARE SOUGHT…

Keep in mind that MORE MEN have killed their WIVES than wives have killed their husbands. There is no biblical source that will tell you it’s EVER ok to break a commandment. You talk of the EVIL wife who murdered her Pastor husband… Wasn’t he beating her? How come you’re not jumping all over this or this does NO ONE think it’s odd that a pastor would have a girlfriend ONE MONTH after his wife was murdered??? Are you NOT bothered that Scott Peterson murdered his PREGNANT wife? A woman clearly with maternal instincts. Well, I’m sure you are. Most women I know love being mothers. They are actively involved in their children’s lives…

but that’s the problem. There are many women who are NOT taking care of their babies, and are instead killing them. You will notice that there is a great decline in young women wanting children. More and more women do not want children. And more and more women are clueless about motherhood because feminism is throwing out the concept of motherhood. Thus young women are clueless about how to take care of children. Instead of mothers taking care of their children its the baby care centers, the relatives, grandparents, or the babysitters. The concept of motherhood is barely existent. And thus, when you have young women growing up in this sort of society, they themselves will become clueless on having good traits in motherhood, marriage, homemaking. Now almost 1 out of 2 people divorce. And because society has such a pesseimitic view of children and motherhood, young women who get pregnant are more inclined to abort their children because their maternal instinct and femininity has been pounded out of them by feminists and dysfunctional roles in marriage.
You know you want to blame women for abortions… But for the EXACT number of women that walk into a clinic to abort, there is an EXACT number of men who wantonly left their sperm where it would not be taken care of. They are accessories to the crime. Can’t think of too many stories where the men are standing on the curb begging them to stop. Heck, most aren’t around long enough to KNOW they made a baby.

More and more women don’t want children, because sadly more and more men prove they are not father material.It’s become a gross catch 22. It’s not JUST about women. It’s men too! Who are the problem. You seem to lay this out all on women. Takes 2 to tango. It takes 2 to divorce. And you can’t lay that all on women. Sure some run, ‘cause they freak out, and don’t like their situation. Many are bailing on husbands who can’t keep it in their pants. Not only cheating on their spouse, but possibly risking their wives’ health with STD’s that aren’t easily detected.

It’s a very sad status of things. That’s for sure. You and I can agree, I think, on ONE component here. And that’s education. HOWEVER, I think the education must start with the young girls and their value. They need to learn a self worth that is more than just $$. They need to know how special they are. It was a woman that brought us Christ. God decided to give her such “power” if you will. And when young girls realize they are so special. They will treat themselves like they would a special strand of pearls, or diamond necklace. They will only let that ONE someone they trust with their life hold them in their arms. Someone that has shown them they will take care of them. But if they feel like a trashy trinket from a gumball machine, they will NOT take care of themselves. And they will allow things to happen because they won’t feel it matters. And chances are, where a young girl feels she’s not worth it, is a missing father, or a father that treats her mother poorly, or her poorly.

Young women that abort their babies do so because they have lost the value of their own life, and can’t even fathom the value of an unknown. NOT because they are not femine, or because they don’t have a maternal instinct.
 
I personally think that if Peterskeys can’t stick to the real topic on hand, he should discontinue posting in this thread or the OP should make a request to redirect the postings back to the topic. Try as you might Peterskeys, the OP isn’t talking about your personal viewpoints about women,but has specifically stated they are asking about the responsibility of the state to assist pregnant women.
 
I personally think that if Peterskeys can’t stick to the real topic on hand, he should discontinue posting in this thread or the OP should make a request to redirect the postings back to the topic. Try as you might Peterskeys, the OP isn’t talking about your personal viewpoints about women,but has specifically stated they are asking about the responsibility of the state to assist pregnant women.
Agreed… Sorry for assisting with the derail…
 
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