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I’m thinking our anti-medieval friend here must have serious issues with Christ’s own sufferings - the fact that Jesus was scourged, beaten, crowned with thorns and crucified. After all, the stigmata are imitations of the same wounds Christ suffered.I don’t know LilyM; it sounds a little too medieval to me.
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The gospels were written in Greek. Luke wasn’t a Jew. He wrote Luke and Acts.I thought the Jewish gospels were the primary source of Gibson’s movie.
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abucs
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Yes.
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manjiga
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There is a young priest in Croatia, his name is Zlatko Sudac and he has stigmata and has been regularly checked for the wounds, also he has been tested to prove it false or true. He is regularly ministering in his diocese…that’s all from me…I think there are links on the net to check his story out.
St. Pio was a great humble and obbedient priest, with or without stigmata.
God bless
St. Pio was a great humble and obbedient priest, with or without stigmata.
God bless
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christcnection1
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stjeromecroatian.org/eng/frsudac.html
Seems like an interesting guy to watch. I hope to do more research on him.
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MarcoPolo
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Is there any irony in the fact that many of these saints are enduring the same skeptical criticism that Jesus Christ did… 
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I get the impression that some of these folks are Pharisaical. I believe many would not have embraced the Lord had they lived during that His time.Is there any irony in the fact that many of these saints are enduring the same skeptical criticism that Jesus Christ did…
I certainly hope I’m wrong about that.
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Daniel_Marsh
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Thats it attack the person, rather then investigate the evidence.
Square Nails in Roman times, not round.
Square Nails in Roman times, not round.
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Lilyflower
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Blessings and peace
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christcnection1
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Oh, I believe your evidence is likely true my brother in Christ.
I just don’t see how it necessarily has bearing on the genuineness of the stigmata, or to serve to necessarily reveal whether it was from God or not.For example, when “Our Lady of Guadalupe” appeared to countless individuals in Mexico she was seen as a young Native American maiden dressed like an Aztec princess. Now, you and I both know this was not her garb during the Wedding at Cana, or any other occasion for that matter.
If you’re not familiar with the story, multitudes of people embraced our Lord Jesus Christ after this event. Likewise, multitudes of people have embraced our Lord Jesus Christ through the humble man of God, Padre Pio.
God can use extraordinary or unique means to relay His message to people, in hopes that they will be drawn to His beloved Son.
In my opinion, I believe it’s good to look at the whole person rather than marvel at the phenomenon known as stigmata. Indeed, it’s mysterious, and if the nails were through the wrist and the nails were square (which was likely, but is still speculative), one might conclude so should the stigmata. But perhaps God’s ways our higher than ours, even when it comes to this.
I value your opinion brother. Thank you.
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Daniel_Marsh
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Those facts are not specualitve. They are well researched.
The crucifixion of Jesus : a forensic inquiry / Frederick T. Zugibe.
Other title Forensic inquiry
Author Zugibe, Frederick T. (Frederick Thomas), 1928-
Published New York, NY : M. Evans and Co., c2005.
The crucifixion of Jesus : a forensic inquiry / Frederick T. Zugibe.
Other title Forensic inquiry
Author Zugibe, Frederick T. (Frederick Thomas), 1928-
Published New York, NY : M. Evans and Co., c2005.
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HollyDolly
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:juggle: There are very few protestants who get it,mainly Catholics.
i know Padre Pio if he received any money,used it to help the poor and suffering.
One must admit however that he was a moneymaker since thousands of people came to see him and gave money to the monks to give to the poor, to have masses said for dead loved ones,etc.
In the Middle Ages there was a brisk trade in holy relics.
Many of them were fakes,some were real.Many churches, abbeys
and monasteries of that time period knew pilgrims would come there to view the bones of some saint,and leave a few coins,and sometimes it became an important source of revenue for them.Some of these places still exist, but rarely visited by Americans, mainly locals of that country,the exception being Santiago de Compastelo,the ancient shrine of St.James in Spain.
There are also several saints who had internal stigmatas on their hearts. There were a couple of women I know,saints,who were nuns who had this,but I have forgotten their names.
Those who have the stigmata should be carefully examined by psychatrists to make sure that then is no mental cause for the phenomena in this person and they should also have medical exams too.
Personally,all stigmatas should be judged against that of St.Francis, though his were very likely unique.I’m sure Padre Pio’s were closely examined for fraud at the time.I know many of his fellow monks did not believe him and thought he was faking it.
He suffered much and it is something I do not desire to have,with all the pain and other elements invovled.
As far as Therese Neuman is concerned, for many years the Church had doubts about her and was not really favorable to her.
Perhasp under John Paul 2, that changed.
And yes he canonized many saints,however two of his candidates,St.Juan Deigo who saw Our Lady of Guadalupe
and St.Jose Maria Eschivera who founded Opus Dei were not without contraversy.
i know Padre Pio if he received any money,used it to help the poor and suffering.
One must admit however that he was a moneymaker since thousands of people came to see him and gave money to the monks to give to the poor, to have masses said for dead loved ones,etc.
In the Middle Ages there was a brisk trade in holy relics.
Many of them were fakes,some were real.Many churches, abbeys
and monasteries of that time period knew pilgrims would come there to view the bones of some saint,and leave a few coins,and sometimes it became an important source of revenue for them.Some of these places still exist, but rarely visited by Americans, mainly locals of that country,the exception being Santiago de Compastelo,the ancient shrine of St.James in Spain.
There are also several saints who had internal stigmatas on their hearts. There were a couple of women I know,saints,who were nuns who had this,but I have forgotten their names.
Those who have the stigmata should be carefully examined by psychatrists to make sure that then is no mental cause for the phenomena in this person and they should also have medical exams too.
Personally,all stigmatas should be judged against that of St.Francis, though his were very likely unique.I’m sure Padre Pio’s were closely examined for fraud at the time.I know many of his fellow monks did not believe him and thought he was faking it.
He suffered much and it is something I do not desire to have,with all the pain and other elements invovled.
As far as Therese Neuman is concerned, for many years the Church had doubts about her and was not really favorable to her.
Perhasp under John Paul 2, that changed.
And yes he canonized many saints,however two of his candidates,St.Juan Deigo who saw Our Lady of Guadalupe
and St.Jose Maria Eschivera who founded Opus Dei were not without contraversy.
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Marc_Aupiais
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Stigmata are notable… glad to have heard more…
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christcnection1
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Even if this is a fact, this doesn’t necessarily change a thing. That was my point.
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