Do Protestants Really Hate Catholicism?

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Regarding your comment about old people being stuck at home. Catholic Churches have people who will bring Holy Communion to the hospitalized and the home-bound. If you know of anyone who can’t get to church for any reason, call the Parish office and let them know.

In the Catholic Church, a sacramental marriage is for life. Even if there is a legal divorce, the partners cannot commit adultry because the original marriage is sacramentally intact. A second marriage would be considered adultry.

I don’t know if this is possible – but the word “annulment” comes to mind in the case of your Dad. Older people sometimes have two misconceptions. 1. that annulment means that their children are illigetimate. That is not true. and 2. that one cannot receive an annulment when one has been married for years. That is also not true.

{snip}.

The idea of an annulment is that the original marriage was not a sacramental marriage in the first place. Please remember that it was a legal marriage with all the legal rights, Also, an annulment can be filled by only one of the parties.

My son was seeking an annulment and I was one of the witnesses regarding the state of the marriage. In our diocese, occasionally someone comes to the parish to answer annulment questions. I met with this woman so I could get an idea of what was involved, etc. This worked. My son did receive the annulment.

This is another delicate area that most older people do not consider. And I am not sure I can bring it up politely. My apology. More older couples than we realize are sexually active. If your Dad is not sexually active and is in effect living as brother and sister, there may be a possibility that he could be in good standing with the church. You would need to talk to a priest about this or if this is embarassing, get someone else to do it for you. Your Dad and his wife would still live together. If you run into problems, send me a private message and I will see what can be done.
Dear Granny,

All of this is good advice. I too had an annulment. The head of the Marriage Tribunal was very sympathetic to my case. My exh kept writing that he wanted to answer, but he kept putting it off. After three months, the head of the Tribunal went ahead without exh’s (name removed by moderator)ut. Answering the questions was long, hard, and difficult. They really made me think. I think it was an excellent process. It took me about three months to answer them and all the rest of my part. Within six months of submitting, I received my annulment. JOY! The whole process took about 1 year. Not so bad! It cost me $100.00 (after the ruling), and they let me make payments.

I think everybody who wants to get married should go through this process, but then the big bad Catholic Church would get blamed for putting man-made impediments to marriage!
 
Dear Granny,

All of this is good advice. I too had an annulment. The head of the Marriage Tribunal was very sympathetic to my case. My exh kept writing that he wanted to answer, but he kept putting it off. After three months, the head of the Tribunal went ahead without exh’s (name removed by moderator)ut. Answering the questions was long, hard, and difficult. They really made me think. I think it was an excellent process. It took me about three months to answer them and all the rest of my part. Within six months of submitting, I received my annulment. JOY! The whole process took about 1 year. Not so bad! It cost me $100.00 (after the ruling), and they let me make payments.

I think everybody who wants to get married should go through this process, but then the big bad Catholic Church would get blamed for putting man-made impediments to marriage!
I’m out the door for a trip with a grandkid. Glad you added your story…

Actually, some Catholic pastors do give engaged couples a questionaire with all kinds of questions similar to what you had to do. Each person fills out their own quiz privately and gives it to the Pastor who can provide comments. One of my kids checked this out before he asked the mother of his child to marry him. He said it was an eye opener. He still isn’t married. However, they are getting to be more understanding of each other. Note: they have a good relationship in regard to their child. And I consider her as part of our large family. Besides my hubby, I have one girl and five boys who have miscellaneous spouses and significant others, nine grandchildren, and miscellaneous others who always show up for our family circus.😃

Blessings,
granny

All humn beings are worthy of profound respect.
 
Dear Granny,

All of this is good advice. I too had an annulment. The head of the Marriage Tribunal was very sympathetic to my case. My exh kept writing that he wanted to answer, but he kept putting it off. After three months, the head of the Tribunal went ahead without exh’s (name removed by moderator)ut. Answering the questions was long, hard, and difficult. They really made me think. I think it was an excellent process. It took me about three months to answer them and all the rest of my part. Within six months of submitting, I received my annulment. JOY! The whole process took about 1 year. Not so bad! It cost me $100.00 (after the ruling), and they let me make payments.

I think everybody who wants to get married should go through this process, but then the big bad Catholic Church would get blamed for putting man-made impediments to marriage!
My mother who divorced him never remarried and lived alone and was a roman Catholic she died in 1991 He is 88 and to week to do this now and his wife who i feel closer to then my own mom is 80 and prays on her rosery’s and listens to the mass and will die Catholic my dad only goes to church once in a while to light candels and pray he is broken hearted that he cannot recieve and will die that way. When I think of how he feels i dislike catholics period.Some day you will see that you were wrong,i swear as i live andbreath you will see.🤷
 
Jerry,

Nobody ever mentioned Maccabees. We have quoted copiously from Protestant translations of the New Testament. I even explicitly told you I would not use it out of respect for your faith.

James Chapter 2:

It is really, REALLY hard to accept that something you have “always known” Scripture to say is, in fact, not scriptural at all. It’s not a fun position to be in. It is the position I found myself in before I decided to become a Catholic.

I will be praying for you as you discern the Catholic Faith in your heart.
never said that you all mention maccabees

what i know as Scripture will always be Scripture and i’ll stand by that till the day i die.

anyway i want to give a big PRAISE report, my father just came out of surgery and all went well Praise God, THank you Jesus!!!
 
anyway i want to give a big PRAISE report, my father just came out of surgery and all went well Praise God, THank you Jesus!!!
Praise God from whom all blessings flow, praise him creatures here below, praise him Saints and Heavenly Host, praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Amen!
 
never said that you all mention maccabees
Jerry Marino;4953962:
catholics what i gather here depend on the things that they do or not do, they depend on their penance of their sins to be right with God. they depend on purgatory to get them through to heaven as loved ones pray for their souls. and i know where you all get this from maccabees.
It has been pointed out to you numerous times that Catholic teaching is we are saved by God’s grace alone. CC teaching is that God’s grace gives us the ability to FREELY choose or reject Him.

Matthew 5:19
*Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments
and teaches others to do so
will be called least in the Kingdom of heaven.
But whoever obeys and teaches
these commandments
will be called greatest in the Kingdom of heaven." *
what i know as Scripture will always be Scripture and i’ll stand by that till the day i die.
:amen:
anyway i want to give a big PRAISE report, my father just came out of surgery and all went well Praise God, THank you Jesus!!!
:amen:
 
My mother who divorced him never remarried and lived alone and was a roman Catholic she died in 1991 He is 88 and to week to do this now and his wife who i feel closer to then my own mom is 80 and prays on her rosery’s and listens to the mass and will die Catholic my dad only goes to church once in a while to light candels and pray he is broken hearted that he cannot recieve and will die that way. When I think of how he feels i dislike catholics period.Some day you will see that you were wrong,i swear as i live andbreath you will see.🤷
Your father is too weak to do what now?

You should go to your dad’s parish and see if they can get an Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist to visit him and bring him Communion.
 
Nancy,
I am having trouble understanding what you are trying to say due to your IM style of writing and punctuation. :o
 
It has been pointed out to you numerous times that Catholic teaching is we are saved by God’s grace alone. CC teaching is that God’s grace gives us the ability to FREELY choose or reject Him.

Matthew 5:19
Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments
and teaches others to do so
will be called least in the Kingdom of heaven.
But whoever obeys and teaches
these commandments
will be called greatest in the Kingdom of heaven."
Originally Posted by Jerry Marino
catholics what i gather here depend on the things that they do or not do, they depend on their penance of their sins to be right with God. they depend on purgatory to get them through to heaven as loved ones pray for their souls. and i know where you all get this from maccabees.

good that you quoted matthew there my friend, you say that is by God’s grace that one is save, AMEN! and AMEN to freely choosing to follow or not follow. so, then where is the difference between us?

so, if God is the one who does the saving why i ask that the catholic church has the sacraments? seriously, i would like to know to better understand your faith cause i am sitting on the outside looking in.

there are seven:
eucharist
marriage
baptism
reconciliation
confirmation
holy orders
anointing of the sick

please tell me what happens if you fail in any of these sacraments?
 
Nancy,
I am having trouble understanding what you are trying to say due to your IM style of writing and punctuation. :o
:oI know what you mean I have been told this before I went to work 16 and later got a GED then for some strange reason I even made it into Colledge for a few semesters I will get a dictionary I realy stink in writing and punctuations I usto write Pres.Bush alot and he wrote to me,and his wife.I have quite alot of letters. I was thinking He must have laughted alot,i proberly made his day Thanks for putting up with me.I had a dictionary and i can’t find it anywhere.I’d love to go for some English lessons at the high school or on line.I was saying he is to lod for remarrying he has problems with memory,and so do I the older i get the less i can spell.If i could find the church in Taunton Mass that he went to I will call them and talk.I would like to see that mirical happen before he dies.Thank You Love of Christ Nancy You should check out the other thread i am doing on the rapture I have a Geologist or theologist there,If you think i’m dumb here i just cannot understand what his site is all about geometric figures ETC Nancy
 
Sorry in advance, Christine, for jumping onto this one which was intended for you :o
Originally Posted by Jerry Marino
catholics what i gather here depend on the things that they do or not do, they depend on their penance of their sins to be right with God. they depend on purgatory to get them through to heaven as loved ones pray for their souls. and i know where you all get this from maccabees.
Don’t you “depend” on your belief for salvation? We depend on many things, most of all, the Grace of God, as this is absolutely the source of everything possible. Purgatory is not something we “depend” on. It simply IS. It is a state of cleansing and purifying the remnants and consequences of already forgiven sins, before we enter into the beatific vision and commune with our Father in Heaven. Once in purgatory, there is only two things for sure…you are being purified…and you are going to Heaven. Sure, we can pray for the souls in purgatory, offer up our sufferings and sacrifices for their benefit…but they’re still going to Heaven…we’re just telling God that we love Him and them so much that we are willing to take some of the pain of their purification unto ourselves. God allows us to share in these things, as the inseparable Body of Christ, with Christ Himself as the inseparable Head.
good that you quoted matthew there my friend, you say that is by God’s grace that one is save, AMEN! and AMEN to freely choosing to follow or not follow. so, then where is the difference between us?
Only that we are not “saved” future tense. By our confession of faith and baptism, we are freed from our slavery to sin, and therefore saved from that prison. And we enter into adoption of the family of God, but we must cooperate with God to “effect” salvation for ourselves…salvation which was made “sufficient” for us by the one-time atoning death of Christ. It will be by God’s grace that we WILL BE saved, but our lives must be lived in obedience to His will, in order to achieve salvation. Part of that will is to be faithful to His Church on earth, which He commissioned. Also, realize that our ability to be obedient, (just like our faith), is also a gift of God’s Grace. Grace is the source of everything good.
so, if God is the one who does the saving why i ask that the catholic church has the sacraments?
Because we are not “saved” future tense, and to cooperate with God’s will, we need to arm ourselves frequently with His Grace to integrate our will with His Spirit in us. Again, emphasis on the fact that it is Grace that makes our faith and obedience (and ultimately our salvation) possible.
seriously, i would like to know to better understand your faith cause i am sitting on the outside looking in.

there are seven:
eucharist
marriage
baptism
reconciliation
confirmation
holy orders
anointing of the sick

please tell me what happens if you fail in any of these sacraments?
Baptism must be done to be born adoptively into the family of God…this gives us initial Grace from God to replenish the DISgrace that Adam imparted unto all of us. This initial Grace gives us the ability to discern Him in our life more fully. Confirmation furthers this Grace by increasing our faith and knowledge of the good works He has prepared before us. The Eucharist is the source and summit of our relationship with God. It is the continuous offering of God’s Grace, and we must properly and purely (as pure as possible) come to the table to have real communion with Him. Our partaking in the Eucharist is so significant because of our prerequisite purification and internal re-commitment to deepen our relationship with Him. Reconciliation (confession) reunites us with God when we inevitably fall away at various times throughout our lives through sin (turning away from God). In some cases of significant sins, it is a prerequisite for partaking in the Eucharist (explained above). For lesser sins, it is not necessarily required, but encouraged. But the Eucharist is seen as necessary either way. For we are told by Christ Himself to do this without condition. Most Catholics partake in the sacrament of Marriage. A few others are called to Church leadership (Holy Orders). It is not a requirement for anyone, but most are called to marriage, and others to the clergy. In either case, these sacraments impart unique Graces for either the couple, or the man entering into religious life. Anointing of the Sick is a specific sacrament for healing, or for the dying. Not a mandatory sacrament…a gift of Grace for specific requesting individuals.

So, mandatory sacraments = baptism and Eucharist
Conditional sacraments = confirmation / reconciliation
optional* sacraments = holy orders / marriage / anointing of the sick

God Bless
 
Originally Posted by Jerry Marino
catholics what i gather here depend on the things that they do or not do, they depend on their penance of their sins to be right with God. they depend on purgatory to get them through to heaven as loved ones pray for their souls. and i know where you all get this from maccabees.

good that you quoted matthew there my friend, you say that is by God’s grace that one is save, AMEN! and AMEN to freely choosing to follow or not follow. so, then where is the difference between us?
See how you have been mislead on what the CC teaches? 🙂
so, if God is the one who does the saving why i ask that the catholic church has the sacraments? seriously, i would like to know to better understand your faith cause i am sitting on the outside looking in.

there are seven:
eucharist
marriage
baptism
reconciliation
confirmation
holy orders
anointing of the sick

please tell me what happens if you fail in any of these sacraments?
Sacraments are outward signs of inward grace, instituted by Christ for our sanctification. They are a means, instituted by Christ to receive His Grace.

Sacrament=Sacred=To make Holy. Marriage is a Sacrament.

Baptism
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned

Reconciliation
John 20:22-23
And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

2 Corinthians 5:18-20
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.

Eucharist
Luke 22:20
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

John 6:53
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

Mark 14:22-24
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, and they all drank from it. “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them.

1 Corinthians 11:27-29
Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.

Confirmation
Acts 8:14-17
When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
 
I was saying he is to** lod **for remarrying
Are you saying he too old to remarry? Why is that a problem? He has a woman living with him and taking care of him? That is not a sin.
If you think i’m dumb here i just cannot understand what his site is all about geometric figures ETC Nancy
I do not think you are dumb! Some of the smartest people in the world have trouble with spelling.

When you reply to a post, you will see an abc over a checkmark in the upper right hand corner. This will spell check your posts.

God Bless.

I suggest Jerry and Nancy open their eyes and ears to what the CC really teaches rather than what they were TOLD she teaches. You’ll be in for a pleasant surprise!
 
Sorry in advance, Christine, for jumping onto this one which was intended for you :o
No problem Steve!
Don’t you “depend” on your belief for salvation? We depend on many things, most of all, the Grace of God, as this is absolutely the source of everything possible. Purgatory is not something we “depend” on. It simply IS. It is a state of cleansing and purifying the remnants and consequences of already forgiven sins, before we enter into the beatific vision and commune with our Father in Heaven. Once in purgatory, there is only two things for sure…you are being purified…and you are going to Heaven. Sure, we can pray for the souls in purgatory, offer up our sufferings and sacrifices for their benefit…but they’re still going to Heaven…we’re just telling God that we love Him and them so much that we are willing to take some of the pain of their purification unto ourselves. God allows us to share in these things, as the inseparable Body of Christ, with Christ Himself as the inseparable Head.So, mandatory sacraments = baptism and Eucharist
Conditional sacraments = confirmation / reconciliation
optional* sacraments = holy orders / marriage / anointing of the sick

God Bless
{snip} Good post Steve 👍

I would add that since we know Christ instituted them for our benefit, why wouldn’t we want to participate in them as often as practical?
 
:)Hello it’s the louzy writer again, after reading all that you people put, i was wondering if you go to purgatory to be cleansed then you could not have recieved the Holy Spirit in life because the Holy Spirit wont live where it is not clean and you cannot have both do you see what i am saying?If Christ cleansed us from all,all,all unrightousness then when we stand before God he will look at us and see his son and we will be able to enter in.But i’m not talking about murder or hanis crimes,let’s face it no one can live without the 10commandments and no one can live without breaking at least one.For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God If we say we have not sinned then we call Christ a lier and his death would have been in vain.Are you sending God to purgatory? or the Holy Spirit? If we claim God lives in us then why should he go to an unclean place? Please enlighten me Nancy
 
I suggest Jerry and Nancy open their eyes and ears to what the CC really teaches rather than what they were TOLD she teaches. You’ll be in for a pleasant surprise!
i did pose a question which no one seems to want to tackle a few post up; what happens if one doesn’t keep the sacraments/
 
Sorry in advance, Christine, for jumping onto this one which was intended for you :o

Don’t you “depend” on your belief for salvation? We depend on many things, most of all, the Grace of God, as this is absolutely the source of everything possible. Purgatory is not something we “depend” on. It simply IS. It is a state of cleansing and purifying the remnants and consequences of already forgiven sins, before we enter into the beatific vision and commune with our Father in Heaven. Once in purgatory, there is only two things for sure…you are being purified…and you are going to Heaven. Sure, we can pray for the souls in purgatory, offer up our sufferings and sacrifices for their benefit…but they’re still going to Heaven…we’re just telling God that we love Him and them so much that we are willing to take some of the pain of their purification unto ourselves. God allows us to share in these things, as the inseparable Body of Christ, with Christ Himself as the inseparable Head.

Only that we are not “saved” future tense. By our confession of faith and baptism, we are freed from our slavery to sin, and therefore saved from that prison. And we enter into adoption of the family of God, but we must cooperate with God to “effect” salvation for ourselves…salvation which was made “sufficient” for us by the one-time atoning death of Christ. It will be by God’s grace that we WILL BE saved, but our lives must be lived in obedience to His will, in order to achieve salvation. Part of that will is to be faithful to His Church on earth, which He commissioned. Also, realize that our ability to be obedient, (just like our faith), is also a gift of God’s Grace. Grace is the source of everything good.

Because we are not “saved” future tense, and to cooperate with God’s will, we need to arm ourselves frequently with His Grace to integrate our will with His Spirit in us. Again, emphasis on the fact that it is Grace that makes our faith and obedience (and ultimately our salvation) possible. Baptism must be done to be born adoptively into the family of God…this gives us initial Grace from God to replenish the DISgrace that Adam imparted unto all of us. This initial Grace gives us the ability to discern Him in our life more fully. Confirmation furthers this Grace by increasing our faith and knowledge of the good works He has prepared before us. The Eucharist is the source and summit of our relationship with God. It is the continuous offering of God’s Grace, and we must properly and purely (as pure as possible) come to the table to have real communion with Him. Our partaking in the Eucharist is so significant because of our prerequisite purification and internal re-commitment to deepen our relationship with Him. Reconciliation (confession) reunites us with God when we inevitably fall away at various times throughout our lives through sin (turning away from God). In some cases of significant sins, it is a prerequisite for partaking in the Eucharist (explained above). For lesser sins, it is not necessarily required, but encouraged. But the Eucharist is seen as necessary either way. For we are told by Christ Himself to do this without condition. Most Catholics partake in the sacrament of Marriage. A few others are called to Church leadership (Holy Orders). It is not a requirement for anyone, but most are called to marriage, and others to the clergy. In either case, these sacraments impart unique Graces for either the couple, or the man entering into religious life. Anointing of the Sick is a specific sacrament for healing, or for the dying. Not a mandatory sacrament…a gift of Grace for specific requesting individuals.

So, mandatory sacraments = baptism and Eucharist
Conditional sacraments = confirmation / reconciliation
optional* sacraments = holy orders / marriage / anointing of the sick

God Bless
oops somebody did answer my bad
 
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