Do "rapture" believers realize it isn't part of consistent Christian tradition?

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I know the Catholic Church does not believe in it. It seems (or seemed, not sure what the climate of it is now) like a trend popularized by fiction. I don’t see it anywhere in the early church.

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I don’t think it matters to them. Usually rapture churches come from non confessional traditions aka those who a are not bound by the past
 
The “Rapture” was first taught by a “visionary” in the Plymoth Brethren Church in the 19th century.who had a history of mental illness.
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How popular is this believe now? Was it mostly just a fad while the Left Behind series was popular. Is/was it mostly limited to the US?
 
The “Rapture” was first taught by a “visionary” in the Plymoth Brethren Church in the 19th century.who had a history of mental illness.
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I’ve read about the possibility of Martin Luther having mental issues, or maybe just uber scrupulosity.
 
I have a couple of Protestant friends who still believe in the rapture, but I’m not sure how popular it is these days.
 
Quite frankly, I find it easier to believe in the Rapture than that we are actually in the millennial reign of Christ now.
 
The “Rapture” was first taught by a “visionary” in the Plymoth Brethren Church in the 19th century.who had a history of mental illness.
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Do you mean Darby? What was his illness? I’ve got a good friend who is Plymouth Brethren and he definitely believes he will be raptured away before the Tribulation.

By the way, PB is not a church. They are non-denominational.
 
The “Rapture” was first taught by a “visionary” in the Plymoth Brethren Church in the 19th century.who had a history of mental illness.
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Just as Seventh Day Adventist foundress Ellen Gould White suffered severe head trauma and alleged mercury poisoning before she received her “visions”. Do you see any kind of pattern here? :hmmm:
 
Belief in the “rapture” continues to be the primary way of viewing eschatology in many of the protestant churches and particularly in Baptist and Pentecostal churches. When I started college in 1972 the two most popular books in the bookstores were Anton Lavey’s “Satanic Bible” and Hal Lindsey’s “Late Great Planet Earth.” The big hit song among the Jesus People at that time was Larry Norman’s song entitled “I Wish We’d All Been Ready.” The late 60s and 70s were great times as part of the Jesus People revival spreading across the country as well as an explosion of Charismatic groups in the Catholic Church. Part and parcel of this was a strong view of the rapture to help fuel evangelism. I do not hold to the rapture theory now and thank God for good Catholic writers who have helped me to get a better grasp of eschatology. But do keep in mind that millions of believers will still fight tooth and nail for the “rapture” theory.
 
Do you mean Darby? What was his illness? I’ve got a good friend who is Plymouth Brethren and he definitely believes he will be raptured away before the Tribulation.

By the way, PB is not a church. They are non-denominational.
No, not Darby, but a female member of his church. Darby used the ‘visions’ and formed the outline of dispensationalism. It would take C.I. Schofeld to popularize it in his famous ‘referance’ Bible at the turn of the twentieth century.
 
Just as Seventh Day Adventist foundress Ellen Gould White suffered severe head trauma and alleged mercury poisoning before she received her “visions”. Do you see any kind of pattern here? :hmmm:
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I ain’t goin’ there. Eric’ll shut this thread down in a heartbeat.
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I know the Catholic Church does not believe in it. It seems (or seemed, not sure what the climate of it is now) like a trend popularized by fiction. I don’t see it anywhere in the early church.

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Rapture"ology" is a brilliant sales tool. Most everyone who believes in it believes it will happen in his own lifetime. They seem to get a kick out of the exclusivity of their “club” and the hope of seeing the rest of us suffer for not sharing their belief.
 
The Rapture is possibly the silliest of all Prostestant doctrines, and it should be noted that a majority of Protestants do NOT believe in the Rapture.There are numerous Bible passages that disprove the Rapture, many of the very passages used to promote the Rapture can be used to disprove it by simply putting them back into their proper context.

I guess when you believe you belong to some special group, you come to believe you will be spared ANY kind of tribulation. I remember a sermon by D James Kennedy, a presbyterian and no friend to Catholics. He spoke of this idea that ‘true’ christians will be spared tribulation. He used as an example a Chrisitan martyr. He described the tortures the pagan Romans put him through before they finally put him out of his misery.
He said “tell THAT man he was no going through tribulation…”
 
Okay, but, the question still remains, do those who believe in the rapture realize that it is a new belief?
 
How popular is this believe now? Was it mostly just a fad while the Left Behind series was popular. Is/was it mostly limited to the US?
Still popular among by Protestant non-denominational friends. In fact, it’s gotten a lot of media attention this year alone.

Can’t speak about outside of the U.S. though.
 
I know the Catholic Church does not believe in it. It seems (or seemed, not sure what the climate of it is now) like a trend popularized by fiction. I don’t see it anywhere in the early church.

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Hardcore protestant believers would disagree that the rapture is not found in the bible (they will, however, admit that word “rapture” is not there). I have seen all kinds of out of context, creative scripture interpertations to back up this belief, but none of them of course really do. It is not as popular as it was about 10 years, at the turn of the century, but some of these people are really patient and firm believers that they will be snatched up to heaven and get to watch the rest of us squirm through the tribulation and the reign of the antichrist. I have even seen websites devoted to those of us “left behind”, from those who were “taken” with an explantion of what happened to all the missing people, what to expect next in world events and how to avoid all of that now if you would just say this prayer.
 
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The Rapture is based upon the following Scriptures:

**1 Th 4:13-5:11

But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.**

**1 Thessalonians 5:1-9

Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, " Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober. For those who sleep do their sleeping at night, and those who get drunk get drunk at night. But since we are of the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. Therefore encourage one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing. **

Lk 17:22-37

And He [JESUS} said to the disciples, [COLOR=“Red”]"The days will come when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. They will say to you, ‘Look there! Look here!’ Do not go away, and do not run after them. For just like the lightning, when it flashes out of one part of the sky, shines to the other part of the sky, so will the Son of Man be in His day. But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. It was the same as happened in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building; but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed. On that day, the one who is on the housetop and whose goods are in the house must not go down to take them out; and likewise the one who is in the field must not turn back. Remember Lot’s wife. Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left. There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left."And answering they said to Him, “Where, Lord?” And He said to them, " Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered."

Mt 24:29-44 [The Glorious Return - Jesus is speaking]

**"But immediately after the tribulation of those daysTHE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels withA GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
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32 **"Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. **

36 **"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left. **

42 - 44 **“Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.” **
 
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