Do religious freedom rights supersede other rights?

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Londoner:
What I dispute is the argument that human males are genetically hardwired to want to breed with as many females as possible. I think that most humans seem to prefer monogamy
It is possible for a man to prefer a monogamous relationship to a polygamous one and still want to have sex with many women.

It is possible for a man to want to have sex with many women and yet not want to breed with them all.
Yes. If by “breed” you mean commit to raising families with every woman he lusts after.
 
Yes I believe a man can lust after many women without wanting to have children with them.
 
the post concerning the 80 year old woman doesn’t concern you
Don’t tell me which posts I can respond to

I responded to your post by pointing to Sarah in OT and now you’re retaliating
 
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How did we get to 94 posts about rights without a single mention of a duty?
Well, it was mentioned in post #13.😀
Does one have a moral duty to respect the religious freedom of another …
Justice toward God is called the “virtue of religion.” Piety, the duty to give gratitude to God, follows from justice.
Eucharistic Prayer I
V. Let us give thanks to the Lord our God.
R. It is right and just.
Therefore, all have a duty to respect the religious duty/freedom of others in all reasonable pious activities.

Does my duty to give thanks to God allow me to violate the rights of others? It’s a nonsense question. Any pious action which violates the dignity of man is not a reasonable pious action.
 
Hey everyone. I have a question. I was debating about the Equality Act on Facebook and I said that I object to it because it would impinge on religious freedom. Then, someone asked if my religious freedom rights supersede other people’s rights, supposedly the right to not be discriminated against based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. Anyway, I’m not sure how to respond to this. My gut instinct is that religious freedom rights are the most important rights we have and so they do supersede other rights but I’m not sure. If that is true, how can I say this without coming across as overly offensive?
It is an individual person’s burden if they choose to be offended by what another person thinks, and this stems from that own person’s insecurities and pride. It is not your ethical duty to make nobody offended.
 
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I wouldn’t want to anthropomorphise non-humans by using the term “lesbianism”, but sexual activity between females is definitely observed in bonobos, macaques, marmots, cattle, and lions.
What were they doing that you categorize as sexual activities? Like laying on the grass and licking their paws? What exactly these female to female sex in animals that you observe?
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francisca.chapter3:
Male to male only happens to mamals in captivity in female absence.
Not true. It is observed in the wild. It is even observed in domesticated livestock (especially sheep) where the males are positively encouraged to mate with females.
The farmer will go bankrupt if the males prefer males and females prefer females. Animals in the wild will extict very fast too
It may serve a number of ends, e.g. pleasure, social bonding, and establishing social dominance.
From the above purposes you mentioned we can tell that it is not sex. It is social bonding and everything else but sex
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francisca.chapter3:
Each biology process has a purpose.
A biological process may serve more than one purpose. Humans (and some other species), for example, commonly have sexual intercourse during pregnancy when the likelihood of the female becoming pregnant again is negligible. It is argued that the benefit of this is bonding the couple and ensuring that the male stays with the female to help care for the offspring instead of breeding with other females.
The “sauce” cannot exist without the main course. If we serve the sauce as the main course it becomes unhealthy/ impossible meal. Souce as main course is not a meal. It has no purpose neither relevance.
and of course a pump isn’t a lung.
Well at least you agree on this one 😉
More interesting would be to ask why animals eat different kinds of foods. It’s not just to acquire necessary nutrition from those foods.
A sheep biologically is designed to eat grass. Suddenly this sheep decides it is no longer a grass eater. The sheep decide to “come out” as a carnivore. So it begins to try to catch the flies fly by or mice or anything it can catch. But it turns out all the things it does is not exactly a carnivore behavior. It can only mimic a carnivore because biologically its impossible for a sheep to consume meat.

On the other hand, the sheep’s brain is malleable and able to unlearn bad information that has misled its idea about its own appetite.
And if you really think that you need to explain sexual reproduction to me, perhaps you should be aware that it is not only mammals that reproduce sexually!
Humans are mamals
 
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My apologies. You may not be one in a million, but the concept of balancing rights and duties does make you pretty rare.
Thank you, I think. And you are correct; I am not one in a million . I am one in over 100 billion ; as are you.🤔

The argument seems to be straying from the OP’s question: Do one’s religious freedom rights supersede the other’s right to non-discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity?

The full answer, it seems to me, is manifold.

May Religious People (RP) who reject as normal persons who are Homosexually Active (HA) deny HA’s products or services that would facilitate, celebrate, advertise, or promote HA? Yes.

May RP’s deny products or services that would not facilitate, celebrate, advertise, or promote HA? No.

May HA’s require RP’s to provide products or service that facilitate, celebrate, advertise, or promote homosexual acts? No.

May HA’s require RP’s to provide products or service that would not facilitate, celebrate, advertise, or promote homosexual acts? Yes.
 
Thank you, I think. And you are correct; I am not one in a million . I am one in over 100 billion ; as are you.🤔

The argument seems to be straying from the OP’s question: Do one’s religious freedom rights supersede the other’s right to non-discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity?

The full answer, it seems to me, is manifold.

May Religious People (RP) who reject as normal persons who are Homosexually Active (HA) deny HA’s products or services that would facilitate, celebrate, advertise, or promote HA? Yes.

May RP’s deny products or services that would not facilitate, celebrate, advertise, or promote HA? No.

May HA’s require RP’s to provide products or service that facilitate, celebrate, advertise, or promote homosexual acts? No.

May HA’s require RP’s to provide products or service that would not facilitate, celebrate, advertise, or promote homosexual acts? Yes.
So, you are able to distinguish between persons and acts? I could not agree more and will go so far as to say many people are willfully blind on this issue.
 
In the end, religious freedom should include respect for science too.

If a religion encourage it’s followers to adopt an unhealthy behavior, should it be covered under religious freedom? If a religion forbid children to learn science, should this be covered under religious freedom?
 
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If a religion encourage it’s followers to adopt an unhealthy behavior, should it be covered under religious freedom? If a religion forbid children to learn science, should this be covered under religious freedom?
This is a hypothetical question, but yes, the religious beliefs of the parents should take priority. A lot of public schools see sex-ed as settled science; parents should (and do, in my mind) have the right (and responsibility) to protect their children from this “science”.

Without the right to believe as we wish, we have no other rights.
 
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francisca.chapter3:
If a religion encourage it’s followers to adopt an unhealthy behavior, should it be covered under religious freedom? If a religion forbid children to learn science, should this be covered under religious freedom?
This is a hypothetical question, but yes, the religious beliefs of the parents should take priority. A lot of public schools see sex-ed as settled science; parents should (and do, in my mind) have the right (and responsibility) to protect their children from this “science”.

Without the right to believe as we wish, we have no other rights.
And in addition, a believing human being presupposes a living human being.

And I hate to be pedantic but it is unfortunately required for our times:
If the right to live is not respected, all other claims about human rights are circular nonsense. That should be obvious, but alas the age of reason is not very reasonable.
 
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What were they doing that you categorize as sexual activities?
Female bonobos rub their clitorises together. In humans this is called tribadism.
The farmer will go bankrupt if the males prefer males and females prefer females. Animals in the wild will extict very fast too
That’s my point. You suggested that homosexuality between non-humans occurred only where animals of the opposite sex were not available. I was pointing out that it is seen in livestock where the raison d’être for mature males is to breed with females. They are not deprived of females; they are encouraged to breed with them. I didn’t say that all wild animals are homosexual! I said that many animals have sexual activity with animals of the same sex, while a small number have exclusively homosexual activity. For the species to become extinct, all members of the species would have to be engaged in exclusively same-sex activity. You also overlook the fact that in many species not all males are able to breed all the time. In many species one dominant male establishes the right to breed with all the females in a group, meaning that many males are at least temporarily superfluous for breeding purposes.
From the above purposes you mentioned we can tell that it is not sex.
They use sexual activity for these purposes. If you take the example of tribadism in bonobos, that is sexual activity that serves a purpose other than breeding.
The “sauce” cannot exist without the main course.
I’m not sure where you’re going with this argument. You are rejecting the facts. Of course, the primary evolutionary reason for the development of male and female genitals is to enable animals to reproduce sexually. The basic function of sexual intercourse is to facilitate the bringing together of a sperm cell and an egg. Nobody denies that. What I am saying is that that is not the sole function of sex. The clitoris is present in all mammals and some other species. In most species the clitoris primarily produces sexual pleasure (in some species it may also contain the birth canal or urethra). Your analogy about the sauce and the main course doesn’t take us anywhere. You are wilfully ignoring the fact that sex is as much about pleasure and emotion as it is about achieving reproduction. It is not an accident that people enjoy having sex even when it doesn’t result in pregnancy.
A sheep biologically is designed to eat grass.
I was thinking about a study conducted with rats. For three days they were fed a diet that was nutritionally adequate, but which involved using the same foods over and over. After three days a different food was offered in addition to the food with which they were familiar. The rats preferred the new food. It provided no additional nutritional benefit. Rats enjoy a varied diet not for nutritional reasons but simply because they enjoy variety and satisfying their curiosity.
 
Gender dysphoria, as the name suggests, is a mental disorder involving a feeling of unhappiness with one’s biological sex in relation to one’s psychological gender identity. This obviously causes the sufferer considerable distress. Being transgender is the condition of having undergone gender reassignment (also called gender affirmation) treatment. Following treatment, the person should be able to live a happy and fulfilling life.
 
Not all religions believe in God.
I believe the poster meant that God created the universe, so the laws of nature flow from His act of creation, therefore nothing in creation goes against God. There is no conflict between faith and science, nor faith and reason. To the extent that another religion may pursue truth it will not find conflict with science.
 
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Wozza:
Not all religions believe in God.
I believe the poster meant that God created the universe, so the laws of nature flow from His act of creation, therefore nothing in creation goes against God. There is no conflict between faith and science, nor faith and reason. To the extent that another religion may pursue truth it will not find conflict with science.
I think you will find that many, even on this forum, have what they insist are Catholic beliefs that are in direct conflict with science. Just pop over to any thread discussing evolution and you will find enough science deniers to keep you occupied for quite some time.

I tbink it was only yesterday that @buffalo was denying that birds evolved after mamals. Would you agree to his religious freedom to have that taught in schools?
 
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