Nonsense. I know that is the standard pro-abortion talking point but it simply is not true. For starters how about we compare what Catholic Charities does for the poor as compared to planned parenthood. Also please tell us what progam for the poor have been cut in the last 8 years.
This is nonsense. Those who are pro-life understand that ensuring birth is the first step towards ensuring life. We endorse the philosophy of a “hand-up” not a “hand-out” and have no problems with both private and public organizations that provide this.
Whatever program gets an increase that wasn’ t what they expected or asked for is considered in some circles as a “cut”. As an example the national FY 2007-08 budget had an increase in funding to CHIP. It was an increase that was based on budget development process. SCHIP got more increase more than some programs and less than others. Some politicians cried foul because there wasn’t a 30+ percent increase. So it got dubbed that the Pres. “cut” SCHIP funding. Was it really cut? No.
What about them? The stament was made that those who support life dont care about supporting the child once it is born-a statement that is categorically false.
Thanks Leebo. I’ll try to use more discretion in my posts.I apologize for saying that you hate GWB because he is rich. I went back through your posts and saw that you didn’t say anything about that. Sorry, I must have you mixed up with someone from another thread.
The comment about moving to Europe was meant as a little bit tounge in cheek, I recognize your sacrifice and you had a very appropriate response in talking about your sons defending this country. Of course, just because we disagree on this topic I don’t actually believe that you should be exiled to Europe. So I now apologize for that comment also as I see it was probably over the line. (I promise it wasn’t meant to be as mean a comment as it may have come across)
I am glad you recognize the great country we live in, and how much we already do to help the less fortunate in this country. There are many, many people who live in this country that do blame the US for all the evil in the world. I often wonder why there isn’t a mass exodus to Europe with so many of the left wing type in this country who think Europe is some kind of enlightened Utopia and that we are all a bunch of selfish backwoods racists. I have only heard of a couple of movie stars that have actually moved.
I will say that the Church is not doing even a fraction of what it should be doing to help those in need. I do not blame those in vocation because they are low in number and already do more than their share. I blame the rank and file membership(including myself).
Government distributing wealth and the type of program described by the OP doesn’t work and has never worked. If pointing that out makes me a pharisee then Ok I am one. There is no way that Dwight Eisenhower would support that kind of program.
No one would mind if there was a safety net so that you can only fall so low. We already have this largely in place, but it is ruined by beurocracys as mentioned in the post before this one.
Jen, Im glad you didn’t leave.
You are correct estesbob- it is a diversion on ribozyme’s part-
Define “good.” She can get a job. As the author you quoted said, the range of jobs would be limited.** I think she would have a chance as a government bureaucrat or in a liberal thinktank**.
Thank you for the good laugh!!! :tiphat: Just stating the obvious.
How could a person with limited reading skills be employed at a think tank? I thought people who work at think tanks need to read large volumes of policy papers.:tiphat: Just stating the obvious.
No, remarkably enough, that is a very common myth-
Think tanks are for people cant make it in the real world.
The first comparison was apples to apples and a question. Your response to it was a comparison of apples to oranges and evaded the real question. Which is the mark of a troll. :tsktsk: Your cover has been blown.
Ribeye is not a troll. I believe he is between his Freshman and Sophmore year in college. He is very intelliernt with a high IQ. He rejected God , IIRC at 14 becuase his intellect told him God could not exist and now believes that all knowledge comes from books and studies. Other than the fact i was dumber than a rock at his age I. like him, was sure I had all the answers. After I graduated from college it took me 6 months of working in my chosen profession to realize I didnt know everything and another 6 months to realize I didnt know anything. I suspect that Ribeye will have the same experience unless he ends up teaching at a university or does land a job at a think tank, in whch case he can live in the theorectical world the rest of his life.
My apologies to you Ribozyme. Not everything that quacks is a duck.
Let me be an example of why one should not rush to judgment.Let me clarify. I think private charity is a wonderful thing, but like Ribozyme, I don’t think it is anywhere near adequate to meet the needs of the poor in this country. I fully support government programs for the poor. Whether or not they are cut is not so much the issue, IMO, as whether they are adequately funded to begin with - they are not. Many “pro-life” folks are very anti-social welfare when that money/support comes from the government. I had one poster on this very forum say the following “I’m pro-life, not pro-quality of life” - and this is the mentality I have a problem with. Helpless infants often depend on government programs - yet we don’t fund them properly and the pro-brith folks are usually (though not always) always calling for them to be cut and/or discontinued. The result is the suffering the infants and small children (not to mention their parents and the elderly, the sick).
I think the primary responsibility for caring for the poor is the Governments. Reforms have to be made, however, to make sure we are not enabeling poverty. With Aid must conme responsibility. At our Center , after we started giving out schalarships and financial aid to single Mothers we thought long and hard as to whether we were promoting single motherhood. It is a chance we decided we should take.The bottom line here is that while we both agree the poor and needy should be taken care of, we disagree on how to best do that. I believe that government aid (if reforms are made) is the best option while you probably prefer the private charity route.
