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whatistrue
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Are you under the impression that they have ceased to be so? If so, why?
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nearlycatholic
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There is nothing to be learned from a false prophet other than to ignore him is best. The devil loves to quote, misquote, and take Scripture from its context. Mormonism is a religion. Islam is a religion. Hinduism is a religion. Catholicism is a religion. Catholicism is the fulness of the Christian faith and the true Christian religion.
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gazelam
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I am under that impression. How about you?gazelam:
Are you under the impression that they have ceased to be so? If so, why?
Matthew 21:43 Therefore, I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people that will produce its fruit.
Matthew 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how many times I yearned to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her young under her wings, but you were unwilling!
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gazelam
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Are you saying that Jeremiah is a false prophet?
Why do you believe that to be the case? Thanks in advance!
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whatistrue
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Nope. Because I don’t cherrypick verses. If you keep reading in Mt 21, you see that the reference was to the chief priests and Pharisees. In other words, specific individuals, not all Jews. I would say nice try, but it really wasn’t. The other citation, aside from being specific to Jerusalem, is reminiscent of the many times that the Jewish people strayed from the correct path and were rebuked, but never ceased to be the chosen people. The Jews were named as chosen people by God in a series of covenants, and God does not break covenants.
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gazelam
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You are correct. God does not break covenants. But people break their covenants with God as did the Jews.gazelam:
Nope… The Jews were named as chosen people by God in a series of covenants, and God does not break covenants.
Jeremiah 22:9
Then they shall answer, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD their God, and worshipped other gods, and served them.
Ezekiel 16:59
For thus said the Lord GOD; I will even deal with you as you have done, which have despised the oath in breaking the covenant.
Hebrews 8:9
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, said the Lord.
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nearlycatholic
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Joseph Smith was a false prophet. And you know that’s exactly who I was referring to. Mormonism is not another Christian denomination regardless of how desperately they want to be identified as such. Why can’t you just be honest and happily state what you are. Plural marriage is not what it takes to earn one’s place in the celestial kingdom. How many wives did the “propher” have and how old was the youngest girl he married? He wasn’t martyred either. He was shot trying to break out of jail. The pageant can portray it however they wish. It’s still a sham leading 1000s into the millions to a horrible end.
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RuthAnne
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He would be proud of Warren Jeff’s.
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whatistrue
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Verse-sling all you want, but God does not break covenants even when others do. He sometimes punishes those who break them, but He does not.
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Chris-Wa1
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I think you have given the definitive answer to the op’s question!
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RuthAnne
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Mormons at one time believed that Adam was God the Father and that Eve was one of his polygamous wives. So, does that mean that Mormons do/did worship Adam as well?
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gazelam
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Which specific Latter-day Saints are you referring to? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has never adopted such a doctrine. What’s the point of raising speculative beliefs of individuals?
CAF has articles referring to Mary as a Co-Redemptrix here and here, while acknowledging that Mary’s role “is not a formally defined dogma of the Catholic Church”. Pope Francis recently called the idea of declaring Mary Co-Redemptrix foolish.
Is it proper to say that at one time Catholics believed that Mary is the Co-Redemptrix? Some do. The Pope doesn’t. And it’s not a Catholic dogma.
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Diaconia
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They end prayers in Jesus’s name.
They baptize people in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost.
So, one would be tempted to say “yes;” however, they do not believe in the Trinity, and they are polytheistic.
As a result, the Church determined, some years ago, that their baptisms are invalid — precisely because they do not understand and believe in both the hypostatic union and the Triune God.
Deacon Christopher
They baptize people in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost.
So, one would be tempted to say “yes;” however, they do not believe in the Trinity, and they are polytheistic.
As a result, the Church determined, some years ago, that their baptisms are invalid — precisely because they do not understand and believe in both the hypostatic union and the Triune God.
So, they are technically not Christians, and do not worship Christ our True God.
Deacon Christopher
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gazelam
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What do you make of the John Henry Newman quote below? Several Early Church Fathers did not espouse a Trinitarian view of God. Are their baptisms also invalid and are they technically not Christians?
If we limit our view of the teaching of the Fathers by what they expressly state, St. Ignatius may be considered as a Patripassian, St. Justin arianizes. and St. Hippolytus is a Photinian … Tertullian is heterodox on the doctrine of our Lord’s divinity … Origen is. at the very least, suspected, and must be defended and explained rather than cited as a witness of orthodoxy; and Eusebius was a Semi-Arian. (Newman, Essay, 43)
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Diaconia
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The CDF made the determination.
Cardinal Newman is a canonized saint.
Rome has spoken, the matter is settled.
There is One God, with Three Persons.
That is the teaching of Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Protestantism.
Non-Christian sects like Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only ones that dispute it.
Deacon Christopher
Cardinal Newman is a canonized saint.
Rome has spoken, the matter is settled.
There is One God, with Three Persons.
That is the teaching of Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Protestantism.
Non-Christian sects like Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only ones that dispute it.
Deacon Christopher
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gazelam
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You didn’t answer my question. Do the ECFs referred to by Newman have valid baptisms and are they technically Christians? They obviously didn’t adhere to the doctrine of the Trinity if we assume their writings reflect their personal beliefs.
For the record, it’s well known that the doctrine of the Trinity is not found in the Bible.
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gazelam
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The Bible specifically teaches that the Father and Son are not consubstantial with each other.
John 17:22 …so that they may be one, as we are one,
Stephen168
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Actually the Bible does teach that Father and Son are consubstantial. It is ancient Christian belief as well as the belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
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Stephen168
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I’ve pointed it out to you several times in the past. Mormons are known for taking a verse out of context and making whole practices and theology out of it. If you quote John’s Gospel, just read it from the beginning. The OP asked if Mormons worship Elohim; Do they?
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