Repeating incorrect information several times does not change the accuracy of the information.
No where does John’s Gospel refer to God as three Co-Eternal Co-Equal divine persons each consubstantial with each other, with one of the divine persons having a dual nature.
Is my comment #9 above not clear?
Seems like you are moving the goal post.
No, it is not. Do Mormons worship Elohim?
During the endowment session in the temple they make you watch a video. It’s really long, really boring, and they use the name “Elohim” when they refer to God. However, having been to sacrament meetings for years, no one talks about “Elohim”. They refer to God as “Heavenly Father” 99% of the time. If you asked a Mormon if they worship anyone, they’d say they worship Jesus Christ.
The cherry picking again. This in no way says what you think it says. Jesus is in prayer to God and during that prayer he, Jesus makes this comment:
When reading this in context of the two previous verses and the one after it changes everything. You can keep cherry picking verses, it probably works great with other Mormons, but it doesn’t work with informed Catholics, we will catch you out every time.
All I see is a simple question from the OP and I offered a simple answer. If you explain what the confusion is for you I’ll see if I can clear things up for you.gazelam:
No, it is not. Do Mormons worship Elohim?
Mormonism is based on cherry picking and taking verses vastly out of context. You can’t blame lifelong Mormons, it’s how they are trained and how they think. It doesn’t work with informed people of any religion, much less Catholics.
So Elohim is the Father in Mormonism. Thanks for clearing it up.
A simple answer would be yes or no followed by a brief explanation, but my question has been answered.
Welcome. I was raised Catholic then converted to Mormonism, then when I found out how many historical and philosophical problems the Mormon church has, I resigned from their church. Sad, because the people are wonderful and the communities are great.
I was born and raised Catholic, but my best friends in high school were Mormon. When they told me the story of the Book of Mormon, I knew it was false and Joseph Smith was not a prophet. While we were best friends they would let their anti-Catholicism show every once in awhile. It is the foundation of Mormonism.
Lies are the foundation of Mormonism, sprinkled with Joey Smiths ego.
This is an uncharitable comment.
Really? When?
This is the big problem with Mormonism. They make blanket statements like this without any proof. It is like talking with a JW and they say “No where in the Bible is Jesus called God.” These blanket statements are ridiculous.
Actually, this verse says:
Agree.
Agree.
In mentioning John 17, you neglected to mention verse 22, which states:
You too!
This verse very clearly shows only one God. Trinitarians do not believe that the three Persons are three beings, therefore no contradiction. This verse is very monotheistic. It is saying that only God is god. There aren’t any other gods. There is only the One God. This verse goes to show that there will be no gods after Him, for He is the only One, and there are no gods before Him, not showing that He exists in time but that there can be no god before Him, it doesn’t make sense. And if reading the context and the environment that God said this, one can assert that the Israelite’s were worshiping gods that they claimed were before Yahweh, hence why God proclaimed that there was no god before Him, He is the only One. So this verse very much so proves the Trinity because:
Assuming that such is the relationship of the Son and the Father is a stretch. I think that Jesus is praying that Christians be unified as Him and His Father are unified, like you said, in purpose and will. But to assume that Jesus is speaking of nature is just that, an assumption. This verse does nothing to prove that Jesus isn’t God. It just speaks of will. But combined with the other verses we can see throughout Scripture goes to show that Jesus is united in Nature with the Father.