Part of Communion means that you have the same faith as held by the Orthodox Christian community. Obviously, there are some variations–so it would not be a complete communion–just as the Orthodox and Catholic Churches are not in communion. But the Greeks are beautiful and warm and loving Christians and would welcome you to their Liturgy with open arms.
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As I read (and still read) it, the implication is that there was some animosity or disunity involved in the refusal of one group to attend the church of another.
But you are welcome to receive the Eucharist in a Catholic Church. We recognize your sacraments and priesthood. To attend a Divine Liturgy and be deprived of the “main event” is sad. Out of respect for Orthodox laws I would not try to break them. I would like to be accepted as part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church as I accept the Orthodox in the same manner.
Yes, but (in general, although there are, on occasion, some individual exceptions) not to receive the Eucharist. On the other side of that coin, though, despite that same imperfect communion, an Orthodox person is welcome to receive the Eucharist in any Catholic church, Eastern or Western.
I don’t think that is true at all. It’s a matter of ethnicity and feeling welcome with people that speak your ethnic language and share the same cultural customs. For the Portuguese there are many feasts that are celebrated actively in the Fall River/New Bedford/ Taunton area. That brings a feeling of cultural unity. But there is no animosity between the different ethnicities. I attend a church that was founded by a group of French immigrants. I am Portuguese.As I read (and still read) it, the implication is that there was some animosity or disunity involved in the refusal of one group to attend the church of another.
There are, on occasion, some ad hoc exceptions. After you attend a few times, you might want to speak with the priest.
Exactly. But I don’t want to get into a set of posts that focus on the conflict on the issue. There are enough on this forum already.
Yes, exactly my point.
I’ve thought of that…but I don’t know what the response would be when I say that I intend to remain Catholic. I just feel as though we should be able to fully participate.There are, on occasion, some ad hoc exceptions. After you attend a few times, you might want to speak with the priest.
As “dictator” literally means “one who dictates”, I used this term in its literal sense to distunguish the role of an arbiter like St. Peter over one who unilaterally dictates the course, proceedings, and outcome, which St. Peter certainly did not do. He was essentially the arbiter at a council.
Believe me, a Greek Catholic in the middle of the ecclesiological sandwich, I understand your sentiments and completely agree with the need to put mutual polemics aside.
Once again, the text says what it says. It’s you who twist it. Replying with 'so’s-your-old-man isn’t an argument. LOL.
I guess I gave you too much credit. You don’t know why Trent defined the infallibility of the pope. I’ll be a little more careful next time.Gotta love those ultramontanes!
We’re not talking about the Lord. Peter ALWAYS, not often, always spoke for the others. If all Apostles are created equal, why is Peter treated as unequal in Scripture? Why didn’t James or Simon the Zealot ever speak for them? If all Apostles are created equal, why did the Lord take Peter, James and John with him to important events and not the others? If all Apostles are created equal, why weren’t any of the others spoken to by the Father in heaven? Or is your philosophy something like that in Animal Farm?
Yes, I can see how it would appear that way to someone who doesn’t know how things work. BTW, James at the Jerusalem Council is also used by protestants when Peter is the subject. You bear a disturbing resemblance to them when the Catholic Church is the subject.
That authority was given to Peter first. Why if Apostles are created equal?Not exclusively. All the apostles were given the authority to bind and loose.
:thumbsup:I know many Catholic priests who will turn away an Orthodox Christian from the Chalice. Furthermore, I would not attempt to receive at a Catholic Church for the same reasons I said above (unless it was an extra-ordinary circumstance).
They are all in communion with the Pope. What’s your point? That people want to attend Mass where their language is spoken?When I was RC, I remember that the Irish would only attend the Irish Catholic Church, the Italian would only attend the local Roman Catholic Church, the Polish would never go anywhere but the Polish Church, the Ukrainians would never attened a Ruthenian Church etc., etc., etc.
A Catholic priest should not be turning away an Orthodox Christian away from the Eucharist. It is not his right (I believe). And I respect you decision. I would not try to receive at an Orthodox Church without first receiving permission from the priest. In any event…I plan to call and speak to the priest in the near future. But I intend to remain Catholic. Hmmm…we are all part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
That was NOT your point! The point you attempted to make, which failed, was directed to the Catholic Church, NOT your alleged unity. Your implication was that Catholics are divided in their worship.
Indeed.
I suppose so. But since you have been insulting Orthodox and Eastern Catholics alike–I am in good company.
He is not treated as an unequal. He is every bit an Apostle as all the rest.
Then Peter answering, said to him: Behold we have left all things, and have followed thee: what therefore shall we have? And Jesus said to them: Amen, I say to you, that you, who have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of his majesty, you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matt 19:27-29
You are a very good apologist for ad hominem attacks.
More ad hominem.
Funny how often you accuse everyone of being protestant. That is a strange habit.
More ad hominem. How very sad.
You had better check your canon law.A Catholic priest should not be turning away an Orthodox Christian away from the Eucharist. It is not his right (I believe). And I respect you decision. I would not try to receive at an Orthodox Church without first receiving permission from the priest. In any event…I plan to call and speak to the priest in the near future. But I intend to remain Catholic. Hmmm…we are all part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Wrong again Ferde! :egyptian:
I could be wrong…but I was under the impression that Orthodox can receive the Eucharist at a Catholic Church. I’ll check.