Do these verses prove Sola Scriptura?

[po18guy]

Okay, I’m going out on a limb here. Even though I consider myself a Protestant, I don’t think Sola Scriptura is a viable doctrine. Yeah, I know, that doesn’t make me a very good Protestant, but there you are.
I don’t believe there is any support for Sola Scriptura in Scripture itself. We read so many accounts of Jesus saying, “but I tell you…” That essentially negates Sola Scriptura. If Jesus believed in Sola Scriptura, wouldn’t he just say, “Hey, it’s all there in the Scripture” and then repeat what the Hebrew Scriptures said? No, he quotes Scripture, and then reinterprets, based on his higher authority.
Many of my Protestant brethren and sistren love to quote the verse from 2 Tim. that opened this thread, but there are a couple problems with that approach. First of all, there was no New Testament when Paul wrote the letter to Timothy, so if it proved anything, it would only be that the OT is authoritative. Furthermore, no one can agree on whether the translation should read “All scripture is God-breathed,” or “All scripture which is God-breathed.” Either is a possibility. Finally, in the same letter, Paul tells Timothy to hold firm to what he has been taught, implying that there is more to that teaching than just what he has read.
No, I don’t think there is any support for Sola Scriptura in the Scriptures. I hope they don’t revoke my Protestant union card…

Cory Howell
Nashville, TN

Cory, God has blessed you with an intellect that seeks the truth, and the fulness of truth. Keep seeking it and He will lead you to all truth. Amen.

 

[lofktis14kr]

Scripture tells us that Matthias was a replacement into an office. It is reasonable to infer that if there was one replacement into that office, there may be others. You may disagree, but I would then ask you to cite the scripture reference which disproves the inference.

“–*one *of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection.” Acts 1:22
There were at least two men who fit this necessary prerequisite, yet they drew lots and appointed only one. The Lord established twelve to be the number of His Apostles, and only twelve it was, not any less, nor any more.

 

[po18guy]

“–*one *of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection.” Acts 1:22
There were at least two men who fit this necessary prerequisite, yet they drew lots and appointed only one. The Lord established twelve to be the number of His Apostles, and only twelve it was, not any less, nor any more.

If this is true, then throw away your bible! It was obviously put together by impostors and is a product of the evil one!!! A sham. A fraud. But, where else would a bible Christian find Jesus? You must keep it, and pray that it isn’t false.

If you deny Apostolic succession; if you deny Church authority, you must also deny the bible. Otherwise, aren’t you a hypocrite?

This is something every bible Christian must ponder.

 

[Pwrlftr]

If you deny Apostolic succession; if you deny Church authority, you must also deny the bible. Otherwise, aren’t you a hypocrite?.

How do you come to this conclusion?

 

[po18guy]

How do you come to this conclusion?

Well, some evangelicals and fundamentalists argue that only the Apostles had any authority, or inspiration. Since the Apostles had all died by the time the canon of scripture was accomplished, they seem to argue that the Church, 300 years later, had no apostolic authority. If there was no such authority, and no inspiration, then the entire canon is suspect and the non-denominational world should call a council to re-canonize scripture.

Seriously, how do you separate the authority behind scripture from the product of that authority (bible)?

 

[Pwrlftr]

Well, some evangelicals and fundamentalists argue that only the Apostles had any authority, or inspiration. Since the Apostles had all died by the time the canon of scripture was accomplished, they seem to argue that the Church, 300 years later, had no apostolic authority. If there was no such authority, and no inspiration, then the entire canon is suspect and the non-denominational world should call a council to re-canonize scripture.

Seriously, how do you separate the authority behind scripture from the product of that authority (bible)?

I don’t follow your line of reasoning. Do you believe that one can have no certainty without an infallible body to make decisions for them?

The Jews were held accountable to the scriptures by Jesus. We don’t see Jesus excusing the Jews because they didn’t have a “magesterium” to guide them.

How did they recognize that…say Isaiah was scripture before the time of Jesus?

 

[rocketrob]

“–*one *of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection.” Acts 1:22
There were at least two men who fit this necessary prerequisite, yet they drew lots and appointed only one. The Lord established twelve to be the number of His Apostles, and only twelve it was, not any less, nor any more.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say on this subject:

CCC 860
In the office of the apostles there is one aspect that cannot be transmitted: to be the chosen witnesses of the Lord’s Resurrection and so the foundation stones of the Church. But their office also has a permanent aspect. Christ promised to remain with them always. The divine mission entrusted by Jesus to them “will continue to the end of time, since the Gospel they handed on is the lasting source of all life for the Church. Therefore, . . . the apostles took care to appoint successors.”

rocketrob

 

[AlegreFe]

Thank you for your intellect & wisdom. I am Catholic you know. I do realize everything you just said, especially about the Mercy of Jesus. I am huge on the Divine Mercy. Or did you not notice my signature? I will not even mention to you how many times I go to confession.

No, Sandy I didn’t read in your post that you meant something other than what you wrote. If you are thinking that both the Old Testament and the New are inspired, you could try enlarging your perspective to include newer letters written - we call them Encyclicals.

I realize this Gail. But we were talking about the bible. You are bringing in a whole other subject.

The Holy Spirit has been writing through the Church for 2000 years, some orally some actually recorded down and handed down and if you can stand it…perhaps He is even writing in your life with you! What will you do? Say yes? His will is kept in His Church.

Again, I am aware of all of this.

Perhaps you need this - God made a Promise called a Sacrament. It is found for you in Confession. It is His Mercy coming to your poor soul to help you stratighten out your thinking. Imagine that, Sandy, His Blood washing away all your sins, restoring your soul to it’s Baptismal state. But perhaps you have only partial contrition. Do you think His Blood cannot do the rest for you? Then you need to learn a few more things about the Sacrament of Mercy. All your mortal sins must be confessed. So, sit down and think back over your life and perhaps you’ll find where you are in most need of His Mercy. Write it down and bring it to the Church. If it is your first Confession, trust His priest to help you get it right. It is his sacred obligation to help you. That is what he is ordained to do. Then perhaps in time, you’ll be able to accept another Sacrament called Confirmation. But before then you could receive the Eucharist if your Confessor says you may. Are there others in your life who are trying to stop you from having God’s will in your life? Let me know, if you can.

You really don’t know anything about me. You talk to me as if I’m not Catholic and/or I know nothing about the Catholic faith. You really like talking down to people don’t you? I don’t know why you want to bring this on a personal level when the OP started this thread to talk about Sola Scriptura. Why are you turning this into something personal? And why do you think I don’t know anything about the Sacrament of Confession? Please send me a PM if you have a problem with me. I know exactly what I wrote in my previous posts and you just misunderstood or didn’t read them thoroughly. I will not continue this conversation here. So if you want to continue this conversation please send me a PM.

Peace & Love in Christ

 

[po18guy]

I don’t follow your line of reasoning. Do you believe that one can have no certainty without an infallible body to -]make decisions/-] (interpret scripture) for them?

Yes! If you want to avoid error. The Pharisees distorted the scriptures to their own purposes, removing the intent from the writings.

Since the Catholic Church gave the world the bible, how come so many reject that same bible authority when it comes to matters of faith and morals? To reject one is to reject both, since they are inseparable.

The Jews were held accountable to the scriptures by Jesus. We don’t see Jesus excusing the Jews because they didn’t have a “magesterium” to guide them.

They were held accountable, not to man’s interpretation, but to the Lord’s original intent. They were not lead by the Holy Spirit when they “made void the word of God”. They needed an infallible source of interpretation, but relied on their private mis-interpretation.

How did they recognize that…say Isaiah was scripture before the time of Jesus?

They likely did not recogniize his writings, as they mistreated and murdered the prophets. Jesus spoke both directly, and in parable about how they treated the prophets.