Do we all really deserve Hell?

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I know “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, but does this really mean that we would all deserve to spend eternity in Hell, no matter what we do in this life? I know of several people who have rejected Christianity in part because they were told “You deserve Hell, and they only way to avoid it is to do what I say” which does not strike me as being very Christ like, and could easily be used by a member of the clergy who is abusing their position to manipulate those put under his authority. What do you think?
 
Personally, I think it’s best not to even touch the subject. I have no doubt it is in the realm of the mysterious, beyond human comprehension, and the ways of God are not able to be judged by us. The Church doesn’t specifically teach that there are people in Hell, and we can hope that all are redeemed, but how will we know until we die? And at that point, if there is a God then we will find out.

That being said, Christ did say to enter by the narrow gate.

No matter what anyone says, no one will convince me with human logic that Hell is fair.
I know that it is above mankind to describe the ways of God. I know that God loves all of us and will do what is best for us. He understands and His ways are mysterious.
 
BrethrenBoy said:
I know “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, but does this really mean that we would all deserve to spend eternity in Hell, no matter what we do in this life? I know of several people who have rejected Christianity in part because they were told “You deserve Hell, and they only way to avoid it is to do what I say” which does not strike me as being very Christ like, and could easily be used by a member of the clergy who is abusing their position to manipulate those put under his authority. What do you think?
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The bible says “forgive them for they know not what they do”.
I think we are in hell here on earth, just look around.
Sickness, suffering and dying is a form of hell.
God has given us a chance to repent sincerely and He then saves us…
So we have to look at our wrongs and be sorry to be repented of and He changes our sinful souls.
God will go to any extent to save us. No one has to put a lable on themselves as a Christian, but, no matter what we call ourselves,as long as we are decent in our hearts. Many who call themselves Christians are deceiving themselves. Look at the child molestation going on in churches by people In high places.

Don’t go by the lable of a person, become aware and avoid the tricks of Satan no matter how they lable themselves. You sound wise.
 
God is Just! We know this. We know that many will not enter heaven. The children of God accept God’s way. The way to heaven is not our way, it is His. We cannot earn heaven. Those who are holy are made holy by God’s Spirit. The Spirit will guide their understanding. To each an understanding sufficient to God’s grace.

The Catholic Church does not teach everyone will enter heaven! It teaches there is a hell, and souls are damned to there because they rejected God’s salvation. The ungodly will despair and revile a God who allows people to go to hell, instead of falling to their knees and loving a God who became a poor servant and graciously accept torture, ridicule, mockery, and death and hide His divine almighty nature in order to conqour death for us. He emptied Himself of Godliness so we could be filled with Godliness. And He is raised to a glory above all else.

We were created in His image! This is holy beyond understanding. And we throw it away in foolishness beyond understanding. Every soul knows he was created. And that his creator demands a huge price for the gift of life. The wicked reject their conscience in order to live without God’s Laws. Even when His law is grace and love!

Michael
 
BrethrenBoy said:
I know “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, but does this really mean that we would all deserve to spend eternity in Hell, no matter what we do in this life? I know of several people who have rejected Christianity in part because they were told “You deserve Hell, and they only way to avoid it is to do what I say” which does not strike me as being very Christ like, and could easily be used by a member of the clergy who is abusing their position to manipulate those put under his authority. What do you think?
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I think that you are putting up a straw man argument against Christianity. The Church does not teach that we all deserve Hell. The teaching of the Fall is a hard one to comprehend…But the church does teach that Christ died so all could be saved. Read a bit more on the teachings of the church before entering debate.
 
Hell is just as real as satan. . And souls that stray away from salvation have to go some where logicaly they can’t roam around and because soul don’t Die . . .hell is where they keep. . . And don’t bluff your selve to think hell is earth, hell is hell and earth is just a planet, it just feel like that because people are gearing up to go to oblivion, they only believe what their flesh eyes can see and hand can touch . .WHOM EVER DON’T TRUST AND OBEY GOD’S WAYS TO HELP MAN, HIS OWN WILL, WILL LEAD THEM TO HELL. Not because they Deserve BUT because they did not believe GOD’S WAYS FOR US.
 
BrethrenBoy,

You’ve got a number of issues in your original post:
  1. Whether everyone deserves hell
  2. Whether those who commit no sin deserve hell
  3. Whether clergy warning sinners about hell is or could be manipulative (and therefore false)
As to the last one, warning others doesn’t equate to being manipulative, and being manipulative doesn’t invalidate everything that is said. Granted, clergy are sometimes imprudent, uncharitable, or misinformed (they are human, after all); but that has no bearing on whether what they say is true.

The first two questions are begging to get derailed into a number of different debates which there are already plenty of threads on. I will only say this. No one deserves the immediate vision of God; and the fate of those who commit no deliberate sin is not the same as that of those who do.
 
Hi Brethren:
BrethrenBoy said:
I know “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, but does this really mean that we would all deserve to spend eternity in Hell, no matter what we do in this life?
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If a person will not repent of their sins, then their sins are eternal. God doesn’t eternally punish for temporal sins. He eternally punishes for eternal ones, and our sins are made eternal by our impenitence.

I’m now straying a bit into my own nonprofessional layman theology, but I believe it could be said that a person in Hell is in a perpetual state of actively committing sin by their final decision to not love the Truth, and their compelled, pragmatic pleading that is wrought through suffering does not change this. It is a counterfeit repentance. If those in Heaven are not merely experiencing joy as an aftereffect from their love of God in this life, but are rather continually loving and praising God in their new life, then might not the same be said of those in Hell, in that they are continually impenitent?
I know of several people who have rejected Christianity in part because they were told “You deserve Hell, and they only way to avoid it is to do what I say” which does not strike me as being very Christ like, and could easily be used by a member of the clergy who is abusing their position to manipulate those put under his authority. What do you think?
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They are being manipulative by teaching the doctrine of hell, which is supposedly what pushes people away from Church? These two claims don’t make sense together.

God bless.
 
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Hi Brethren:

If a person will not repent of their sins, then their sins are eternal. God doesn’t eternally punish for temporal sins. He eternally punishes for eternal ones, and our sins are made eternal by our impenitence.

I’m now straying a bit into my own nonprofessional layman theology, but I believe it could be said that a person in Hell is in a perpetual state of actively committing sin by their final decision to not love the Truth, and their compelled, pragmatic pleading that is wrought through suffering does not change this. It is a counterfeit repentance. If those in Heaven are not merely experiencing joy as an aftereffect from their love of God in this life, but are rather continually loving and praising God in their new life, then might not the same be said of those in Hell, in that they are continually impenitent?

They are being manipulative by teaching the doctrine of hell, which is supposedly what pushes people away from Church? These two claims don’t make sense together.

God bless.
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Better we should ask: Do any of us deserve HEAVEN? Yet Jesus gave his life so we could be with him because He loves us, undeserving though we are.
 
BrethrenBoy said:
I know “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, but does this really mean that we would all deserve to spend eternity in Hell, no matter what we do in this life? I know of several people who have rejected Christianity in part because they were told “You deserve Hell, and they only way to avoid it is to do what I say” which does not strike me as being very Christ like, and could easily be used by a member of the clergy who is abusing their position to manipulate those put under his authority. What do you think?
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First, every human being is fall short of their human nature. But this does not mean all human beings deserve hell. Hell is an eternal punishment for those who did not want to mend their lives and did not want to repent from their mortal sins like killing their brothers and sisters out of their free will even if they have been helped to mend their lives to repent. God is always waiting with an open arms with love to those who really mend their lives and repent. God sees every human heart and they cannot play around with the justice of God who is merciful and just.
Secondly, in saying “…they were told…” indicates someone who told these “several people” as you said, that they deserve hell because they ‘rejected Christianity in part”. I suppose this someone must meant something else and that you did not fully grasp the full meaning and picture of what he really said.
I personally have helped so many people in my sermon everywhere that those who worship other gods, beside the Triune God, and do not repent, they will definitely go to hell – eternal. This is a profound message for all humanity.
Thirdly “…the clergy who is abusing their position to manipulate…” become a tactical method for a evil priest whom I know in my diocese who manipulate other priests and other people for his evil agenda. They are brainwashed by the evil force this evil priest used. This is very sad indeed. The wrath of God will definitely come upon them in His own time. The Competent Authority must do something about him as it is a very big issue and very big problem to the Church.
I hope I contribute to the reality.
 
BrethrenBoy said:
I know “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, but does this really mean that we would all deserve to spend eternity in Hell, no matter what we do in this life? I know of several people who have rejected Christianity in part because they were told “You deserve Hell, and they only way to avoid it is to do what I say” which does not strike me as being very Christ like, and could easily be used by a member of the clergy who is abusing their position to manipulate those put under his authority. What do you think?
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Umm yes, that is the hard answer. If you sin once El has grounds to send you to he’ll though it is not like he wants us to go to hell
 
rcwitness said:
God is Just! We know this. We know that many will not enter heaven. The children of God accept God’s way. The way to heaven is not our way, it is His. We cannot earn heaven. Those who are holy are made holy by God’s Spirit. The Spirit will guide their understanding. To each an understanding sufficient to God’s grace.

The Catholic Church does not teach everyone will enter heaven! It teaches there is a hell, and souls are damned to there because they rejected God’s salvation. The ungodly will despair and revile a God who allows people to go to hell, instead of falling to their knees and loving a God who became a poor servant and graciously accept torture, ridicule, mockery, and death and hide His divine almighty nature in order to conqour death for us. He emptied Himself of Godliness so we could be filled with Godliness. And He is raised to a glory above all else.

We were created in His image! This is holy beyond understanding. And we throw it away in foolishness beyond understanding. Every soul knows he was created. And that his creator demands a huge price for the gift of life. The wicked reject their conscience in order to live without God’s Laws. Even when His law is grace and love!

Michael
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If the catholic church teaches some of the things you have mentioned.
They are dead wrong.
Who are you to call others wicked, why do you judge? Only God is judge and knows people are lost and don’t know what they are doing, many have been destroyed as children.
Where is the heart of the catholic church?
 
ventura2323 said:
If the catholic church teaches some of the things you have mentioned.
They are dead wrong.
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Why?
Who are you to call others wicked, why do you judge?
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The poster referred to did not do so.
Only God is judge and knows people are lost and don’t know what they are doing, many have been destroyed as children.
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This is true only in part. For we are each called to the morality of our own, and sometime others’, actions.
Where is the heart of the catholic church?
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It is in those faithful to the Truth revealed by our God through Jesus.
 
ventura2323 said:
If the catholic church teaches some of the things you have mentioned.
They are dead wrong.
Who are you to call others wicked, why do you judge? Only God is judge and knows people are lost and don’t know what they are doing, many have been destroyed as children.
Where is the heart of the catholic church?
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I do not judge, nor does the Catholic Church. If we do, we are in need of repentance. However, we believe the Lord when he speaks…LUKE 13:22-30
 
BrethrenBoy,

As a christian, please take a moment to think about what Jesus taught. Have you ever heard him mention anything about the existance of a place called hell?

Hell is not real… it is part of the first testament, yes, but the first testament has a lot of “symbolism” within it… Hell could be where most people live today… a place were they suffer internally. I doubt such a place exists.

Jesus once taught. Man will search high and low for the kingdom of God, but he will never find it… for what he does not know is. that the kindom is not out there… its inside him all along. Jesus was awesome eh… much less symbolism, and he just gets to the point… ya know.
BrethrenBoy said:
I know “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, but does this really mean that we would all deserve to spend eternity in Hell, no matter what we do in this life? I know of several people who have rejected Christianity in part because they were told “You deserve Hell, and they only way to avoid it is to do what I say” which does not strike me as being very Christ like, and could easily be used by a member of the clergy who is abusing their position to manipulate those put under his authority. What do you think?
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Hell is real and hell is taught in Scripture and through the Apostolic Teaching of the Church.

Matt. 25:31-46

CCC # 1034
The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire”. The chief punishment of hell is separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and hapiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

Michael
 
davidv said:
Why?

The poster referred to did not do so.

This is true only in part. For we are each called to the morality of our own, and sometime others’, actions.

It is in those faithful to the Truth revealed by our God through Jesus.
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OH don’t be so self righteous.
 
rcwitness said:
I do not judge, nor does the Catholic Church. If we do, we are in need of repentance. However, we believe the Lord when he speaks…LUKE 13:22-30
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THE TRUTH IS HIDDEN FROM YOU. You don’t even realize you are judging who should go to hell and who should not.
Wake up brother or sister.
 
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