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LegoGE1947
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I deserve Hell. But thank God he has provided a way whereby I may avoid what I deserve through his mercy. It is his Word that judges me, thank you!Its brother
I would also like to see you address the points made.
Peace
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ventura2323
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Why? Would you also like me to draw you a picture. Go back to the drawing board.Its brother
I would also like to see you address the points made.
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Michael
Brother, I would like to help you, but, you are not ready.
Keep walking.
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rcwitness
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Yeah, I want you to draw little stick people and I can tell you which ones are going to hell and which ones are going to paradise. :takeoff:
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LegoGE1947
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Paradise! Isn’t that those little cube shaped things with the dots on them where you put them in your closed hand, shake them, say “Daddy needs a new pair of shoes” then you throw them out on the table?
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manualman
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Do you even own a bible? Jesus talked about hell plenty of times! The story of the rich man and Lazarus, the story of the narrow gate, heck Satan personally tempted Jesus with power and glory in this world.
I think you’ve mistaken Jesus for John Lennon. Not the same, my friend, not the same.
Do we deserve hell? YES! I know I do. God is perfect and heaven is perfect. That’s the only way it could be a place with no suffering, no greed, no hurt… In the end, anybody unwilling to allow God’s Grace to sanctify us into His character can’t enter there. The only alternative is a place where people who refused His offer can go and live out THEIR will instead. I suspect hell needs no flames though. Anybody there will be tormented by their own stubborn vices enough. Sin generally creates its own punishment.
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LegoGE1947
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Hell is mentioned in the Bible much more often than heaven
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mikekle
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I have thought about this alot too, and I have a hard time believing someone who is generally a good person thru out their life, but just uses their own free will and chooses to live their life without God in it, and the person who tortures, rapes, and kills children, and actually get pleasure out of doing such things, end up in the same place, and this torture goes on for eternity without ceasing. This makes absolutely no sense to me. No matter how you spin it, there is no justification in this.
If this is truly the way things are when we die, then (I have a hard time saying it, but) maybe God is not a deity I want to worship.
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BrethrenBoy
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Thanks for all the responses. I guess I have more I need to think about. 
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BrethrenBoy
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“Luck be a lady tonight!”Paradise! Isn’t that those little cube shaped things with the dots on them where you put them in your closed hand, shake them, say “Daddy needs a new pair of shoes” then you throw them out on the table?
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rcwitness
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That’s why you and I dont know who is good and who is not! The Lord knows and judges our hearts. If someone who is generally good, thats because they are following their God given conscience.
There is only heaven and hell as a final destination for man. With God and His merited Glory, or with men and unforgiven sin and hatred. In heaven, we are subject to the glory of our creator…in hell, we are subject to the evil of all spirits who do not seek God’s giving life. The spirit without God does not offer anything good. It takes away, steals and destroys.
Please have faith in the Holy Spirit’s wisdom. Our own reasoning cannot shed understanding regarding the Spiritual truths. We abandoned the spiritual reliance and fellowship with our creator through our first parents, Adam and Eve. But you have the Holy Spirit, right? You believe in Christ and His teachings?
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mikekle
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I believe Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins, I believe God created us, the earth, and whole universe as well. I believe in doing good things for others and being a good person in life, trying to stay away from certain things, but I do not attend mass, or follow ALL of Gods laws, I have my vices I struggle with daily, sometimes they win, but in general, I have never hurt anyone by any action of mine, nor do I do desire to, I get along with everyone I meet and hold no grudges against anyone. I dont get angry either, I let everything roll off me, I have always been this way.
I dont know if I have the holy spirit or not? Everytime I have prayed, nothing happens and I feel nothing, I never have, even going back to when I was 8 yrs old.
So when someone looks at my overall life, I will be seen as a mostly good person, even though I do not really attend mass or follow all of Gods laws, my vice is a drug problem, I have had some type of addiction problem since I was 11 yrs old too, but this is really my only vice, I struggle to control it daily and maintain a good life, I strive to use in moderation. So if a person like me ends up in the same exact place as people who like to kidnap kids and abuse them, people who get enjoyment of killing, stealing, etc, then something is wrong, and if this happens, then I will be content.
I believe God knows whats in our hearts and bases our destination on this, anything less would not be justified or fair.
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clem456
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The Church holds that we do not know who is in hell (other than Satan et al…), so no one can claim that another is going to hell. Period. We can teach morality, but not judge other souls. That is God’s domain alone.
Christianity gives a reason to hope for heaven, not a minimalist fear of hell.
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rcwitness
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When you believe, it is important that you believe the true gospel. This is that we receive everything from God freely and because of His goodness. Not because we deserved it or earned it. Salvation is varied in different people. Even Mary, who did not sin, nor had the conscequence of original sin held against her, still was saved from a life without God’s grace possible only because of Jesus Christ coming in the flesh and serving God’s will, and fullfiling the price of eternal life.
Once we are in this state of grace, we are able to share in the life and work of God’s grace. Or we are also free to follow the world’s ways, and the ways of our old nature. This life after the free gift of salvation doesnt earn us heaven…EVER. But we are still judged by Christ according to our deeds. Those deeds done in submission to the Father’s will are building up His Kingdom (Church), while deeds done which are not from the Father (Holy Spirit), are burned up, punished, and destroyed in what Catholic teaching calls Purgatory. However, we can give our sins to God, for forgiveness, in this life, through faith, in the sacrament of confession (reconciling to men and God our wrong doings) and be freed from the conscequences of sins.
For a scripture reference, read 1Cor. 3 regarding the judgment of the believer. Purgatory is God’s purging of the believer. We should not plan on leaving anything for Purgatory. But it is God’s Spirit destroying any sin IN OUR HEART, in order to enter His glory.
Reward and punishment is not stricly deserved in the judgment of the believer, but because God has freely chosen to share His life with man.
Falling out of grace and salvation is like Paul says in Hebrews 10:26-31. This is only when we give in to mortal sin and continue in it until the end. It is not the believer who repents and relies on God’s holy sacfifice in Jesus.
I really hope this helps you. I understand your struggle against sin. But God’s grace is our hope and salvation. You have the Holy Spirit. It is not a feeling so muh as a hope and understanding of who God is and who we are in his sight.
God bless
Michael
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Yes, we as a humanity ALL deserve Hell, as we are ALL evil. Say What? Yes, we may be a
little good, but overall we have unclean spirits, and are thus in need of Savior and his Blood.
And just so I don’t sound like a radical jerk, I sure know that I deserve Hell. There’s a
little quote, I forget who said it, but “I have never met a man more wicked than myself.”
If there was but one person who didn’t deserve Hell, then Christ’s sacrifice would have been in vain.
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LegoGE1947
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Only Mary didn’t deserve hell but she went through it watching her beloved Son die.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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TECHNICALLY, I think Mary was redeemed by the merit of Jesus “ahead of time”, is what I learned.
Yes, she was born sinless, but again by the Sacrifice Jesus made later on.
SOMEONE CORRECT ME IF I AM
WRONG,PLEASE & THANK YOU!
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Judas_Thaddeus
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TECHNICALLY, I think Mary was redeemed by the merit of Jesus “ahead of time”, is what I learned.
Yes, she was born sinless, but again by the Sacrifice Jesus made later on.
SOMEONE CORRECT ME IF I AM
WRONG,PLEASE & THANK YOU!
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rcwitness
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Correct. To say Mary did not deserve hell is correct only in a sense that no one who is redeemed by our Lord deserves it. We are delivered from the death of sin, which is hell otherwise, by the Law of Christ, which is the highest law according to God the Father. Mary’s redemption was unique, but still dependent on Our Lord’s mercy and grace. She grew in grace because of her faith. This faith, which the Lord granted with more grace, gave her the highest intercession among His holy people.
Someone explained original sin nicely…Original sin is not so much a “stain” as the absence of the Spirit of God with us. Its easier, then, to understand Mary not being born with the consequence of original sin. The Lord, in His blessing to her, bestoed His Spirit on her from her conception.
This is my understanding of Catholic teaching on her. **Correct me if I have explained wrong
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Peace
Michael
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manualman
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Self deception is at the heart of sin. The devil’s favorite trick is to make us believe we are enough better than the ‘bar’ that we qualify as “good enough.” But look how you’re kidding yourself! You honestly believe that you’ve never hurt anybody, but you’re funneling money into the illicit drug trade, no? Do you have any idea how many people have been killed over drug money over the years?
ALL sin is like this, not just yours. I’m not singling out your sins, we’re all guilty of causing and contributing to misery, suffering and destruction in this world. You have to realize that Heaven isn’t just Disneyland on speed, it is a place where there IS no suffering, hurt, rejection or any of the other fruits of sin. For it to STAY heaven, we need to be saved not just from our sins, but from our inclination to sin. You and me both have a long ways to go on that front. If we’re let in ‘as-is’ we’ll trash the place and it won’t be heaven anymore. So unless we choose over and over and over again to let Grace transform and renew us, we do indeed deserve hell. Because that’s the only eternal alternative to heaven.
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