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cheezey
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Thank you for the nutshells. :clapping::clapping::clapping:That’s it in a nutshell.
Do we really want another 500 years of division between Catholics and Protestants?
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Christian_Unity
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I created a thread just for you PRmerger on this very topic.Where Islam gets it wrong, we do not embrace that.
Similarly, where your theology gets it wrong, we do not embrace that.
But for some reason you are enjoining upon us to embrace your wrong theology in the name of unity, but you also refuse to embrace Muslims and their wrong theology in the name of unity.
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PRmerger
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Are you going to leave in a few days?
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Christian_Unity
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Would you like me to leave in a few days?Are you going to leave in a few days?
. It’s strange you seem to compare Protestants baptized in the Triune formula who share in the Nicene Creed and Apostles’ Creed as being similar to Islam in which they deny the deity of Christ; they deny the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Islam believe Christians and Jews are their enemies. Hey, just because we believe in justification by faith alone and Sola Scriptura does not make us your enemy. If the Magestrium teaches that Protestants are your separated brethren, then we are in the same body of Christ.
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ILIKECEREAL
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If you read the Quarn, the Muslims do believe in a Jesus who was a prophet that was not crucified; therefore, their Jesus was not risen from the dead. They also reject the deity of Jesus too. In Hinduism, they believe Jesus is just another deity with their thousands of deities. I don’t believe Allah is the same Triune God that we worship as Protestants and Catholics.
Allah is Arabic for God not restricted to Muslims. Its just the quaran is in Arabic. Just so you address the name right if there are arab speakers here
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PRmerger
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No. I want you to stay and dialogue.Would you like me to leave in a few days?
That’s my CAFs pet peeve: posters who are hit and run.
Of course, it’s certainly not against forum rules to post and run, ne’er to be heard from, but it’s in poor taste, IMHO.
You are alike as analogs only.
You both have wrong theology. You both share some truths with Catholicism.
I find it strange that you feel you get to draw the line at one point: THIS is where we can divide and unity is not to be had at the expense of truth.
But that Catholics don’t get to draw the line: THIS is where we can divide and unity is not to be had at the expense of truth.
That is, that you reserve for yourself what you deny to Catholics.
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Christian_Unity
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This is an exclusive Catholic site so it’s okay to say the Catholic Church is the One True Church with all the correct doctrines as the standard. If you are a Facebook person, send me a message and I will give you a link to my Christian Fellowship Facebook group in which neither Catholics or Protestants have the monopoly of truth. Heck, our moderators are 50% Catholics and 50% Protestants. I don’t mean to be a hit and run member, but Facebook fellowship is very time consuming, so Catholic Answers is just a filler for me. I do love this site and recommend it all the time on Facebook.No. I want you to stay and dialogue.
That’s my CAFs pet peeve: posters who are hit and run.
Of course, it’s certainly not against forum rules to post and run, ne’er to be heard from, but it’s in poor taste, IMHO.
You are alike as analogs only.
You both have wrong theology. You both share some truths with Catholicism.
I find it strange that you feel you get to draw the line at one point: THIS is where we can divide and unity is not to be had at the expense of truth.
But that Catholics don’t get to draw the line: THIS is where we can divide and unity is not to be had at the expense of truth.
That is, that you reserve for yourself what you deny to Catholics.
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PRmerger
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No, thank you. I *am *a Facebook person but I have no interest in your site.This is an exclusive Catholic site so it’s okay to say the Catholic Church is the One True Church with all the correct doctrines as the standard. If you are a Facebook person, send me a message and I will give you a link to my Christian Fellowship Facebook group in which neither Catholics or Protestants have the monopoly of truth. Heck, our moderators are 50% Catholics and 50% Protestants. I don’t mean to be a hit and run member, but Facebook fellowship is very time consuming, so Catholic Answers is just a filler for me. I do love this site and recommend it all the time on Facebook.
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guanophore
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Yes of course. They have grown up in misunderstandings. God does not hold people responsible for things they believe in ignorance. I was not suggesting they do not tneed to be evangelized. The fact that they believe errors is not something that will condemn them to hell.
Certainly their conception of the God of Abraham is different than ours, just like the Jews’ conception was. God did not condemn millenia of Jews to hell because they did not know He was three in one!CopticChristian said:
No arguement there.CopticChristian said:
Yes. The faith you claim has a narrow minded and bigoted view of all those who do not espouse it. Calvin used to put them to death.CopticChristian said:
I don’t believe I ever claimes any such thing. You are asking me to defend a position I do not embrace.CopticChristian said:
Good thing you are not Master of the house, and that it has many more rooms than you are willing to enter!CopticChristian said:
Good for all those listed in the eleventh Chapter of Hebrews, too!
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guanophore
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It would be strange, indeed, but no one here has done any such thing. No one has said they are “similar” to Christians in belief. Their beliefs are quite different. The point is that, if people don’t believe the way you do, then their beliefs are not valid or efficacious.
not at all. You have embraced doctrines that are at emnity with the Teachings of the Apostles, but you are still our separated brethren. We are in prayer that you hold your beliefs with invisible ignorance until you can come to know otherwise.
I think you mean Magisterium?
Yes, we are in the same body. But since the Body is wounded by the separation, we must continue to work for unity. Unity results from adherance to the Truth. All those who embrace the Truth will be in unity.
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guanophore
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You seem to have a misunderstanding of the Catholic faith, CU. The CC does not claim to have a “monopoly” on the Truth. In fact, the CC teaches that the Truth of the HS can be found in non-Catholic eccleseial communities.
819 “Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth” are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: “the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.” Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”
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hn160
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This is from a Lutheran pastor’s blog Pastoral Meanderings - pastoralmeanderings.blogspot.com/
In 1976, Joseph Ratzinger—then still a professor—suggested “it might be possible to interpret [the Augsburg Confession (CA)—i.e., the primary Lutheran confession] under the laws of the empire as a catholic confession.” He continued: “Efforts are underway to achieve a Catholic recognition of the CA or, more correctly, a recognition of the CA as catholic, and thereby to establish the catholicity of the churches of the CA, which makes possible a corporate union while the differences remain.”
While Ratzinger—now Benedict XVI— would not continue a campaign for such acceptance, it is nevertheless a striking comment from the man who would be pope. At the very least, it demonstrates a particular interest in Roman Catholic-Lutheran dialogue which has continued into the present.
This past September, for example, Pope Benedict XVI met with former students in Castel Gandolfo, Italy, to discuss the subject of Roman Catholic dialogue with Lutherans and Anglicans. This get-together between the pope and his former students is an annual tradition that dates back to the 1970s, and the topics of discussion are chosen by the pope himself. Benedict even invited an emeritus Lutheran Bishop, Ulrich Wilckens, to lead the discussion.
While this is the most recent nod by the pope to Lutherans, it is hardly the first. Only a few months earlier, Pope Benedict XVI announced the new prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The man chosen? German Bishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, a veteran of Lutheran-Roman Catholic ecumenical dialogue. Among other things, he served as the Catholic head of the International Lutheran/Roman Catholic Commission on Unity.
These events reflect increasingly congenial relations between Roman Catholics and Lutherans. But what is more, there are signs Roman Catholics are interested in exploring deeper ties with a specific group of Lutherans—namely, confessional Lutherans.
These words introduce a First Things On the Square piece by Canadian Lutheran Editor Matthew Block. *You can read it all here. * My point is that it appears that Rome has realized that there are Lutherans and then there are Lutherans. *Rome has also awakened to the fact that confessional Lutherans represent an identity in which there is great commonality and a very serious conviction to the evangelical and catholic nature of the Lutheran Confessions. *Now all we are waiting for, it seems, would be the confessional Lutherans to decide to pursue this conversation more seriously and with a higher priority. *Such, I believe, would be a good thing for Rome to find out what catholic Lutherans look and sound like and for those confessional Lutherans to connect with an ally as they find themselves increasingly squeezed out of the stage by liberal Protestantism. *Hopefully, this interest in Confessional Lutheranism will not be abated when Benedict gives was to the new pope to elected less than a month from today.
In 1976, Joseph Ratzinger—then still a professor—suggested “it might be possible to interpret [the Augsburg Confession (CA)—i.e., the primary Lutheran confession] under the laws of the empire as a catholic confession.” He continued: “Efforts are underway to achieve a Catholic recognition of the CA or, more correctly, a recognition of the CA as catholic, and thereby to establish the catholicity of the churches of the CA, which makes possible a corporate union while the differences remain.”
While Ratzinger—now Benedict XVI— would not continue a campaign for such acceptance, it is nevertheless a striking comment from the man who would be pope. At the very least, it demonstrates a particular interest in Roman Catholic-Lutheran dialogue which has continued into the present.
This past September, for example, Pope Benedict XVI met with former students in Castel Gandolfo, Italy, to discuss the subject of Roman Catholic dialogue with Lutherans and Anglicans. This get-together between the pope and his former students is an annual tradition that dates back to the 1970s, and the topics of discussion are chosen by the pope himself. Benedict even invited an emeritus Lutheran Bishop, Ulrich Wilckens, to lead the discussion.
While this is the most recent nod by the pope to Lutherans, it is hardly the first. Only a few months earlier, Pope Benedict XVI announced the new prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The man chosen? German Bishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, a veteran of Lutheran-Roman Catholic ecumenical dialogue. Among other things, he served as the Catholic head of the International Lutheran/Roman Catholic Commission on Unity.
These events reflect increasingly congenial relations between Roman Catholics and Lutherans. But what is more, there are signs Roman Catholics are interested in exploring deeper ties with a specific group of Lutherans—namely, confessional Lutherans.
These words introduce a First Things On the Square piece by Canadian Lutheran Editor Matthew Block. *You can read it all here. * My point is that it appears that Rome has realized that there are Lutherans and then there are Lutherans. *Rome has also awakened to the fact that confessional Lutherans represent an identity in which there is great commonality and a very serious conviction to the evangelical and catholic nature of the Lutheran Confessions. *Now all we are waiting for, it seems, would be the confessional Lutherans to decide to pursue this conversation more seriously and with a higher priority. *Such, I believe, would be a good thing for Rome to find out what catholic Lutherans look and sound like and for those confessional Lutherans to connect with an ally as they find themselves increasingly squeezed out of the stage by liberal Protestantism. *Hopefully, this interest in Confessional Lutheranism will not be abated when Benedict gives was to the new pope to elected less than a month from today.
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My dear Oblate,
In your posting 887, you ascribe these statements to me…when I click on my moniker it takes me to post 412 that is mine…
something is amiss…
Is it scandal?..you are attempting to wrongly cause some to believe that I have such thoughts.
Is it intentional to tarnish my name?
You asked in another post about some evening activity of mine you were interested in, somthing to do with caps at night…did not really understand it…
May I ask you to clarify how in the world you were able to put my moniker with these thoughts that are not mine???
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CopticChristian
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CU,Would you like me to leave in a few days?
Your notion of what the Church teaches is correct. You use that information as fodder for your continued belligerence.
While I believe you are a baptized Christian and are part of the OHCAC…this does not give you the privelege deny it’s truths. Sola Scriptura alone denies one element of the Nicene Creed that you say you share.
You cannot define this as you wish and say you accept the creed.
You know what the Church teaches…what is you believe makes some one a Christian, because from this side of the fence we accept all that are Baptized in the Trinity as Christians regardless of what comes from their lips…
What do you ascribe to someone to be a part of your invisible Church?
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guanophore
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By no means! Very sorry Coptic. I obviously did not clear out the memory and was cutting and pasting quite out of order.
Neither did I understand most of the statements you made in the post.
Oh it is really not difficult. All one need do is fail to replace the post information. Sadly, I have even done this across threads!
Pity I can’t blame it on a nightcap.
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cynthia96
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Protestants and Catholics together; do we really want another 500 years of division between Catholics and Protestants? We can discuss whatever you want on this issue since we agree on the Apostles Creed, Nicene Creed, and Jesus is Lord; therefore, at the end of the day, we are simply just siblings in Christ. Honest discussion is the first step for Christian unity. What would you like to discuss on this issue?
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ufamtobie
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Christian Unity,
Did the Father of the Prodigal son go out to find his lost son? No! He waited patiently in prayer for his son to come back home and so he did. Same with the Protestant faith they have left the True Faith, their True Home/Church. We pray that they come back to the Catholic Church…and many, many are. Praise be to God.
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Christian_Unity
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The Reformation occured 500 years ago, so most of us non-Catholics never considered the Catholic Church our home. We cannot return home to something that was never our home in the first place. Now if a Catholic left the Catholic Church, you can tell those ex-Catholics to retun home. Peter does tell us that this place we call earth is not our home; rather our home is Heveanly… we are all aliens of this world.
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ufamtobie
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Christian Unity,
You don’t understand, The Catholic Church is our home. I was born in 1964 and the Catholic Church is the Church that Christ has set for me and for you.
So again, come back home, to the Catholic Faith do not fear.
Ufam Tobie
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guanophore
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I think you make a good point, CU. The Church is the Ark through which we sojourn in this world. It is the Body of Christ, into which we are baptized as members so that we can grow up into Him.
Jesus founded One Church, and left us One Faith. There is no room in His gift for “different doctrine”.
1 Tim 1:3
I urge you, as I did when I was on my way to Macedonia, to remain in Ephesus so that you may instruct certain people not to teach any different doctrine,
We are to be of one mind, and in unity of mind.
The “returning” would be to the One Faith, entrusted once for all to the Saints.
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