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RWBhbrws1
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NO there is onlyONE God the TheCreator of everthing that exists the alpha and the omega. muslims chose to worship a false god. The devil in my book . They do not worship my God. They will one day though
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Shadowcry
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How do you know ur not worshipping a false god.
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cute2904
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Because God wouldnt be so stupid to send a messenger whose life need to be questioned?
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Edris
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But He’d send one whose life, death, resurrection, nature, genealogy, books, … are questioned.
- Prophet Muhammad - The Most Influential Man in History
amaana.org/ismailim.html - What non-muslims say about Muhammad pbuh
cyberistan.org/islamic/quote1.html#note - The World’s Religions and Their Scriptures
“The Qur’an, revealed to Muhammad, is the perfect and accurate record of God’s message by the prophets of every age.”
unification.net/ws/wsintr4.htm
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exoflare
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Not by anyone noteworthy.
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Milliardo
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Muslims do worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There is no doubt in that. Many Christians, especially Protestants, have this impression that Muslims worship a different God. But we (Jews, Christians and Muslims) are People of the Book, meaning we all follow the first 5 books of the Torah (for us, it’s called the Pentateuch). Where we differ is how we see God, or what the nature of God is. Does anyone here ever say that our Jewish brethren worship a different God? After all, they do not see Jesus as the Emmanuel, and actually do not even see Jesus as a prophet or such, like Muslims believe. Yet few, if ever, would say Jews worship a different God. I think this misconception that Muslims worship a different God should stop once and for all. Where we must work on, as Catholics, is to have our Muslim brethren understand who Jesus is, in light of what faith and history shows us who He really is.
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exoflare
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Muslims don’t follow these books. Why do you think all those excuses about corruption of scripture had to be made?
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Karin
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Umm…last I heard the Jews do not view Jesus as God…so while you preach to Muslims should we not preach to the Jewish population as well on who Jesus** really** is?
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Milliardo
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Muslims do follow the first 5 books of the Torah, or the Pentateuch. It bears to at least read the Quran to verify this. Now, our differences lie mainly on the nature of God, as well as on which Scripture is true (Muslims do swear the Quran to be true; of course we Christians beg to differ on this one). Those two points are our main differences, but on whether or not Muslims worship the same God, there is no doubt in that.
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Milliardo
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Yes, we should, though on the score of whether our Jewish brethren worship the same God we do, I don’t think we have any doubt about it. The point of the discussion after all is if Muslims worship the same God we Christians and Jews do.
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Karin
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Well didn’t the **Pope **did say that they did, that is good enough for me!
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selvaraj
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Please read Galatians 1:6-9
In Christ,
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Milliardo
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We are discussing here whether Muslims believe in the same God we do, and we can see that it’s affirmed. We are not discussing here whether Muslims are accursed for preaching another thng; that is a different subject all together.
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Reuben_J
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No we don’t.
God (Yahweh) is love. Allah is not.
God is a loving father.
Allah is a demanding master.
God loves sinners.
Allah purposes for some people to be led astray in order to populate the hell he created. Allah does not love unbelievers.
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Tonks40
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Reuben J:
It does us no good, at least in this thread, to discuss the nature of the God each religion worships. That’s for another thread.
Thanks for letting me rant…
I think those refuting whether or not Muslims worship the same God as Christians are getting a little nit-picky! We’re not talking about whether or not the nature of God is the same God, but rather **who and which ** God is it (of course, there’s only one).
It does us no good, at least in this thread, to discuss the nature of the God each religion worships. That’s for another thread.
Thanks for letting me rant…
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Edris
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Reuben J:
“Yes, whoever fulfils his pledge and fears Allâh much; verily, then Allâh loves those who are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious)” (Qur’an 3:76)
"God loves sinners."
Then why did He create the Hell, certainly not for barbecue.
“…Truly, Allâh is full of kindness, the Most Merciful towards mankind” (Qur’an 2:143)
“Yes, whoever fulfils his pledge and fears Allâh much; verily, then Allâh loves those who are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious)” (Qur’an 3:76)
"God loves sinners."
Then why did He create the Hell, certainly not for barbecue.
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buffalo
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Edris said:
Hell is a free choice made by someone who turns their back on God.
From the Catholic Catechism"
1033. “We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: ‘He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.’[1Jn 3:14-15 .] Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.[Cf. Mt 25:31-46 .] To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self- exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called ‘hell.’”
1034. “Jesus often speaks of ‘Gehenna’ of ‘the unquenchable fire’ reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost.[Cf. Mt 5:22, 29 ; Mt 10:28 ; Mt 13:42, 50 ; Mk 9:43-48 .] Jesus solemnly proclaims that he ‘will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,’[Mt 13:41-42 .] and that he will pronounce the condemnation: ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!’[Mt 25:41 .]”
1035. “The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’[Cf. DS 76; 409; 411; 801; 858; 1002; 1351; 1575; Paul VI, CPG # 12.] The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.”
1036. “The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: ‘Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.’[Mt 7:13-14 .] Since we know neither the day nor the hour, we should follow the advice of the Lord and watch constantly so that, when the single course of our earthly life is completed, we may merit to enter with him into the marriage feast and be numbered among the blessed, and not, like the wicked and slothful servants, be ordered to depart into the eternal fire, into the outer darkness where ‘men will weep and gnash their teeth.’[LG 48 # 3; Mt 22:13 ; cf. Heb 9:27 ; Mt 25:13, 26, 30, 31 46 .]”
1037. “God predestines no one to go to hell;[Cf. Council of Orange II (529): DS 397; Council of Trent (1547):1567.] for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want ‘any to perish, but all to come to repentance’:[2 Pet 3:9 .] Father, accept this offering from your whole family. Grant us your peace in this life, save us from final damnation, and count us among those you have chosen.[Roman Missal, EP I (Roman Canon) 88.]”
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Edris
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That’s exactly what Islam preaches.
“…And those who invoke not any other ilâh (god) along with Allâh, nor kill such life as Allâh has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment. The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace; Except those who repent and believe and do righteous deeds, for those, Allâh will change their sins into good deeds, and Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful” (Qur’an 25:68-70)
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George_Waters
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Edris: “Then why did He create the Hell?”
I have assumed Islam believes in free will. Is this not the case? God loves us, He want’s us to choose Him, but for those of us who refuse His love then we have chosen to be separated from Him. God is respecting our choice, no matter how much he desires our love He will not force us to submit to that love. It is our choice to go to Hell, not Gods.
George
I have assumed Islam believes in free will. Is this not the case? God loves us, He want’s us to choose Him, but for those of us who refuse His love then we have chosen to be separated from Him. God is respecting our choice, no matter how much he desires our love He will not force us to submit to that love. It is our choice to go to Hell, not Gods.
George
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buffalo
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Edris, another point:
**“Outside the Church there is no salvation” **
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How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
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