you should check out the trinity thread when you get a chance. faith and reason dont always go hand in hand.hdbarton said:What in the world are you trying to talk about? We Catholics are taught that faith and REASON can not be separated!
hmmm…interesting
it is as I say, check it out, reason is consciousness itself, and it can be appied to the persons and nature of god with wonderful results - interesting to anyone, check it out - I’ve explained it all in an interesting and abosolutly non-boring way I promise ] at http;//www.godmodern.com/
Ok, thanks for the invite, 
But isn’t that pretty much what most gods do: Create Heaven and Earth?
I don’t want to burn a pinch of incense to the God of War [formerly called Mars]. Someone in authority whom I am not at liberity to mension, informed me that the Church teachs that Muslims and Catholic worship the same God! How can Allah, who says he has no children, being sterile, doesn’t want any, and says anyone who dies believing he has a son, or any children will be sent to the lowest Hell where they will be tortured with the worst tortures forever and ever. This is our God? Of course not! I will not offer a pinch of incense to this God of revenge. Why that would be idolatry! ** If it is not idolatry, there is no such thing as Idolatry! ** Yet so many christians fall for it on this site. Do you think any of the muslims on this site think that Jesus is God? No, but so many Christian do believe that Allah, that war god whom the romans called Mars, is also our God, Jesus! I want to be like Jesus and strive only for peace. I want only peace brought forth by the free will choice of those who hear the good news. I want to be like Jesus, not like that other god who says that my God is not God and did not die on the cross for the sins of all mankind. What do I have to do with such a god as this? I do not worship Allah! I do not even give him lip service! So why do people want to infuence people to see me as a partial follower of Allah? A persons reputation is in large part determined by the god or gods they are perceived to worship or give respect to. I don’t want to be seen as giving deference to the god of war. Do you? :bowdown2:
Are you telling us you worship most gods? How long have you been doing this? How is it working for you? hdbarton said:
So you don’t believe that they worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Have you not thought that this is their imperfect understanding of who God is?
No, but that doesn’t negate that they believe in God, does it now?
Do Muslims say they worship Mars, the god of war? I think this is an insult to our Muslim brothers.
If you want to be like Jesus, then first learn to be understanding like Him. Then you will know what peace is.
george, you seem to be in perfect agreement with faith 001. How can this be? She, like all muslims, does not believe Jesus is God. She seems to have more freedom of choice than you do: Consider: It is Good that Muslims believe in one God. Thats why the vaticum Council puts them as first place among all the pagans. Read again what you think states that the Church recognizes Allah as the true God! In your rush to blindly obey without thinking you have stumbled into idolatry. It does not say Allah is God! It only says that these non christians are first among pagans because they recognize that there is only one God! And, also, that Abraham is the father of many nations! And that they see a final judgement of all mankind!
So you don’t believe that they worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Have you not thought that this is their imperfect understanding of who God is?
No, but that doesn’t negate that they believe in God, does it now?
Do Muslims say they worship Mars, the god of war? I think this is an insult to our Muslim brothers.
If you want to be like Jesus, then first learn to be understanding like Him. Then you will know what peace is.
We are called to share the world and all it’s evils with you in love, so, we have many mentally ill brothers and sisters, as you people do. I am not saying Mark is mentally ill, but if he is, that would prove nothing to add to your post. But I didn’t say Mark worshipped many gods, I just inquired, not knowing that he was a fervent Catholic. Actually, most gods do not create ex nilo – its quite rare to become cognizant of this great truth, that’s the main reason we Catholics are so impressed with your amazing religion.lol. Mark is Catholic according to his profile…now you have to be nice to him
Jesus is Perfect - how is such perfection going to be compaired with imperfection? Can we place something imperfect on the alter next to Jesus and bow down to them both? What to you is God like down here in this valley of tears? Should we not only have eyes for him? Why are the Father and the Son and the Holy spirit ONE? No reason, except that they are Perfect – they and only them in all the universe! I know this is not hard for you! :tiphat:
That is in the Book of revelations or The apocalypse in catholic bible. To the Catholic Church of Laodica (means the people are victorius in Greek) and the Chuch was mainly concerned with building respect for God. But, they pleased the people too much, and so they held back the respect they should have given God. They walked the middle line. They gave half of the respect to God, and the other half to the other gods, so, Jesus told them: either be hot or cold, if you keep on being luke warm, I will vomit you out of my mouth!" So, the Holy Ghost put you up to puting the perfect teaching in just the right place at the right time for this thread - God has spoken at this post by your faithfulness, 
hdbarton said:
So you think the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a false god then?
And yet if you read the Old Testament–what do you see? God would set His people against those against it. God let them overrun a place where people are not even at war with them just to claim the Promised Land. Does this mean we must foresake the Old Testament because God there does not act the way Jesus does? Of course, as Catholics we know why God is like that in the Old Testament (I will not go into that here, as it is not pertinent to the discussion), but my point is that, at least in the surface, we see God to be different in the Old and New Testament (again, the reason for that can be explained once we establish that God is our Father, but for this discussion that would only lead to a tangent that’s not relevant to the discussion).