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melbourne_guy
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then you agree gonsales , we dont beleive in the same god as they both have different names?
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r.gonzales
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ask any arab christian what God’s name is, they’ll tell you “Allah” as well.
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Rachel_Malloy
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A fork in France is called “fourche”
A fork in English is called “fork”
In Russia it is called “вилка”
In Korea it is called “포크”
Considering all these different names, is it any less of a reality that the thing being named is a fork?
Pointing out the different names we have for God as a reason why we don’t worship the same God seems to be a weak argument in light of the hundreds of different languages and cultures on this Earth.
I advise moving away from that argument as it may get into a “cultural debate”. And that is so very rarely productive…
A fork in English is called “fork”
In Russia it is called “вилка”
In Korea it is called “포크”
Considering all these different names, is it any less of a reality that the thing being named is a fork?
Pointing out the different names we have for God as a reason why we don’t worship the same God seems to be a weak argument in light of the hundreds of different languages and cultures on this Earth.
I advise moving away from that argument as it may get into a “cultural debate”. And that is so very rarely productive…
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Daniel_Marsh
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Let us be honest, us christians believe that God is a trinity, three in one and that he has a son. Our Muslim friends believe that God is ONE and has no son. One of us or both of us have the wrong God.
Our muslim friends claim that the bible has been corrupted. If God was either unwilling or unable to protect his previous revelations to the jewish people and to the christians, then why should anyone believe that he protected this third set of revelations?
Our muslim friends claim that the bible has been corrupted. If God was either unwilling or unable to protect his previous revelations to the jewish people and to the christians, then why should anyone believe that he protected this third set of revelations?
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Booklover
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Daniel Marsh:
Allah didn’t protect his so-called “final revelations” since he allowed a goat to eat several pages of the Quran!
Vickie
All that nonsense about the bible’s corruption was Mohammed’s way of legitimizing his “revelations” since they were a contradiction of previous scriptures! He knew he had no proof for his claims, so that’s what he came up with! And people actually believed this stuff just because he said so!Let us be honest, us christians believe that God is a trinity, three in one and that he has a son. Our Muslim friends believe that God is ONE and has no son. One of us or both of us have the wrong God.
Our muslim friends claim that the bible has been corrupted. If God was either unwilling or unable to protect his previous revelations to the jewish people and to the christians, then why should anyone believe that he protected this third set of revelations?
Allah didn’t protect his so-called “final revelations” since he allowed a goat to eat several pages of the Quran!
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r.gonzales
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you sure know how to embellish and exaggerate things. one piece of parchment on which was a verse that the recitation of was abrogated hardly can be considered several pages of the Quran.…
Allah didn’t protect his so-called “final revelations” since he allowed a goat to eat several pages of the Quran!
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Booklover
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Again, do we worship the same God?
If we say, “God is Love”, Muslims, bring up the OT God or claim that’s a bogus statement.
If we say, God loves the sinner, but hates the sin", Muslims claim that’s another bogus statement or say "that they try to love what God loves and try to HATE WHAT GOD HATES!
We Christians know that sin is the only thing that God hates, but it seems that “Allah” hates anyone who does not accept his “laws” or his “prophet” blindly! Same God, no way!
Vickie
If we say, “God is Love”, Muslims, bring up the OT God or claim that’s a bogus statement.
If we say, God loves the sinner, but hates the sin", Muslims claim that’s another bogus statement or say "that they try to love what God loves and try to HATE WHAT GOD HATES!
We Christians know that sin is the only thing that God hates, but it seems that “Allah” hates anyone who does not accept his “laws” or his “prophet” blindly! Same God, no way!
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Faith101
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Vickie,
Let’s leave Islam out of this for a minute:
You believe the God of the OT is the same as the God of the NT, right? However, many Christians wonder how the two could be so different (one being severe in punishment and the other being full of love).
In the OT, God punished (with death) those who disobeyed his laws. Is He not the same God of the NT? Please, just answer that question, I do understand that you dont follow the OT, and you believe none of it applies to you. But God DID prescribe DEATH to those who disobeyed His laws.
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contramundum
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Hashi Al-Eritre:
Even if i was not a Christian, I would choose to believe what 1John 4:8 tells us, that, “God is LOVE [emphasis added]”. I don’t know much about the Muslim religion (mostly because i am not interested in it, i have to admit)… but if Muslims believe in something other than a loving and compassionate God who abhors (unnecessary) violence, I can see why that religion does not have as many adherents as does Christianity.
And if Muslims do believe in a loving God, why do they believe in violently killing themselves and others (911, etc.) over some belief in a “holy” cause/war??? I don’t believe there are many causes worth killing human beings over. Human beings are created in the very image of God and their lives should not be taken lightly by government rulers, etc… As Holy Scripture tells us, “You are not your own…”
I believe a true Christian is content to live a simple life, he trusts in God and lives harmoniously with his neighbor, not easily getting caught up in strife-filled situations (wars, etc.). The reason there is war is because people are discontent with such a way of life. They want this and they want that…(money, power, land…).
Jesus said that the way to eternal life is narrow and there are few who find it…
I cannot understand the Muslim religion.
Even if i was not a Christian, I would choose to believe what 1John 4:8 tells us, that, “God is LOVE [emphasis added]”. I don’t know much about the Muslim religion (mostly because i am not interested in it, i have to admit)… but if Muslims believe in something other than a loving and compassionate God who abhors (unnecessary) violence, I can see why that religion does not have as many adherents as does Christianity.
And if Muslims do believe in a loving God, why do they believe in violently killing themselves and others (911, etc.) over some belief in a “holy” cause/war??? I don’t believe there are many causes worth killing human beings over. Human beings are created in the very image of God and their lives should not be taken lightly by government rulers, etc… As Holy Scripture tells us, “You are not your own…”
I believe a true Christian is content to live a simple life, he trusts in God and lives harmoniously with his neighbor, not easily getting caught up in strife-filled situations (wars, etc.). The reason there is war is because people are discontent with such a way of life. They want this and they want that…(money, power, land…).
Jesus said that the way to eternal life is narrow and there are few who find it…
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StMarkEofE
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It would be nice to think that the God of Christians was the same as the Allah of the Muslims but I have issues that need to be addressed and these are:
If God (the Father) sent His only begotten Son ( the Christ) to redeem ALL mankind why would He then opt to send a messenger to establish another belief after the death and Resurrection of Christ? Our scriptures read that “no one comes to the Father except through the Son (the Christ)”. How would Muhammed square this with Allah?
Did God make a not do a good enough job in sending His Son to be Incarnate, preach, heal the sick, raise the dead, die and rise from the dead?
If God (the Father) sent His only begotten Son ( the Christ) to redeem ALL mankind why would He then opt to send a messenger to establish another belief after the death and Resurrection of Christ? Our scriptures read that “no one comes to the Father except through the Son (the Christ)”. How would Muhammed square this with Allah?
Did God make a not do a good enough job in sending His Son to be Incarnate, preach, heal the sick, raise the dead, die and rise from the dead?
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Faith101
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Do you believe that the Jews worship the same God as the Christians?
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contramundum
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I agree - God sent His only son and that is enough. We do not need any other religion than the one He established. We definitely don’t need any other “savior” than Jesus. What more could He have done than die for us?
I think people INTEND to worship the same God, the one and only Creator, but they often miss the mark, sometimes in a big way. For one thing, when the “word” of one pastor is in disagreement with the word of another, there are 2 possibilities: 1) one is right, meaning the other is wrong or 2) they are both wrong. God (and the way to avoid Hell) is not a good thing to be wrong about. Even though God understands our “wrong-ness” and will not send us into eternal Hell because of the “sin” of ignorance, it is nonetheless a fact that sin, whether committed in ignorance or not - DESTROYS. It sends us at least to temporary Hell in this life and a painful Purgatory in the next (assuming we accept Christ and have no unconfessed mortal sins on our souls, in which case we would end up in Hell…).
In the newspaper some time ago, i read this story about a woman who claimed that God told her to throw her 8-month old child down the stairs. Fortunately the child lived, but this raises an interesting point. Are we human beings capable of knowing God (the real God…) and if not, what must be done so that we WILL know Him? The answer: the Catholic Church.
Before i was even a devout Catholic, i had an interesting experience. I read this book about a serial killer (the I-5 Killer??) and i found myself contemplating as to how it was a person could do those kinds of things (murder innocent people). I asked myself what one could do to raise his/her children so they don’t turn out like the killer in the book. I heard words in my head that i believe were straight from God. I don’t believe they were my own thoughts because, again, i was not a practicing Catholic at the time. I heard these words,
“Raise them Catholic.”
It makes sense to me… I don’t recall that very many serial killers were raised Catholic… In fact, i can’t recall one. Can you??? and even if there was ONE… Well, what can i say??
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Daniel_Marsh
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Hi MarkEoE, based on Hebrews one, God did not send any prophet after Jesus.
1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
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discipleofJesus
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I haven’t read all the posts so i don’t know if this has already been stated.
I believe Muslims worship a false god.
Why? Because they worship ‘Allah’ who they believe authored the Quran. The Quran denies many central beliefs of Christianity, such as the Trinity, the divinity of Jesus, the death of Jesus for the sins of the world, the resurrection of Jesus etc not to mention that the Quran contains many immoral techings. Also, in the Bible, God is love, but in the Quran, Allah is not. Allah isn’t even referred to as Father in the Quran.
I believe Christians worship the one true God and that Muslims worship a false god.
I believe Muslims worship a false god.
Why? Because they worship ‘Allah’ who they believe authored the Quran. The Quran denies many central beliefs of Christianity, such as the Trinity, the divinity of Jesus, the death of Jesus for the sins of the world, the resurrection of Jesus etc not to mention that the Quran contains many immoral techings. Also, in the Bible, God is love, but in the Quran, Allah is not. Allah isn’t even referred to as Father in the Quran.
I believe Christians worship the one true God and that Muslims worship a false god.
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Faith101
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Do you believe that the Jews also worship a false God?
Because, they too, deny and I quote you “denies many central beliefs of Christianity, such as the Trinity, the divinity of Jesus, the death of Jesus for the sins of the world, the resurrection of Jesus.”
Why do non-Muslims feel the need to explain to a Muslim what their relationship with their Creator is? It really is very annoying, not to mention that the ideas they try to force on us about our own religion is false.
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discipleofJesus
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No, I don’t believe Jews don’t worship a false God, they worship the one true God. They just don’t know Him in as much detail as we (Christians) know Him. They didn’t claim to receive some new revelation after the New Testament was written denying any central beliefs of Christianity. However, Muhammad claimed to recieve new revaltion denying central beliefs of Christianity.
That’s the difference.
Also, both Jews and Christians accept the Old Testament, the Jews are worshipping the God of the Old Testament, who Christians also accept as God. However, both Jews and Christians reject the Quran as the revelation of God, so why would they believe that Muslims are worshipping the one true God, the God of the Bible?
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Ahimsa
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Jews didn’t receive new revelations after 70 CE, but Judaism does deny several central beliefs of Christianity.
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discipleofJesus
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Both Jews and Christians accept the Old Testament, the Jews are worshipping the God of the Old Testament, who Christians also accept as God. However, both Jews and Christians reject the Quran as the revelation of God, so why would they believe that Muslims are worshipping the one true God, the God of the Bible?
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Faith101
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So even though the Jews deny that Jesus is divine (they also believe he was a liar at best) they still worship the one true God, which you believe is Jesus? So even though they believe Jesus is a liar, they still worsihp him according to you?
That doesnt make any sense. They CLEARLY deny ALL of the central beliefs of Christians. At least, Muslims believe that Jesus was sent by God and that he was among the most righteous people to ever walk the earth.
But you dont follow the old testament. One Christian on this forum called some of its teachings “imperfect”…so the testament that you actually follow, they deny completly.
We can continue this forever, honestly. But in reality, it is just complete prejudice against Islam, with absolutly no proof. It’s pretty sad.
May Allah guide us all.
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Ahimsa
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Muslims accept much of the OT, but not all of it.
Neither Jews nor Christians would reject all of the Qur’an (e.g., the parts that talk about God being one, or the importance of justice and mercy, etc.).
So which parts of the Qur’an do you accept, and which do you deny?
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