Do we worship the same God?

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discipleofJesus:
Both Jews and Christians accept the Old Testament, the Jews are worshipping the God of the Old Testament, who Christians also accept as God. However, both Jews and Christians reject the Quran as the revelation of God, so why would they believe that Muslims are worshipping the one true God, the God of the Bible?
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Muslims believe in the God of Abraham. If thats not the God you worship, then I would agree that we dont worship the same God 😃
 
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Faith101:
But you dont follow the old testament. One Christian on this forum called some of its teachings “imperfect”…so the testament that you actually follow, they deny completly.
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We do not deny the Old Testament!

It contains prophecies about Jesus, and many good teachings. We accept it all!

The New Testament is perfect, but the Old Testament is not.

That doesn’t mean we deny it or think it is corrupted. We accept it all. We believe it is good, but not perfect.

Read Matthew 5, ‘the Sermon on the Mount’ and you should understand, or at least have some idea of, what is meant by the New Testament being perfect and the Old Testament being imperfect, yet still good.
 
discipleofJesus said:
We do not deny the Old Testament!
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I didnt say you did…but that you dont follow it.
It contains prophecies about Jesus, and many good teachings. We accept it all!The New Testament is perfect, but the Old Testament is not.
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Yes I understand that you pick and choose which ones were good teachings and which were immoral…oh no…you call those that are legislated by Allah in the Quran immoral, but the ones legislated by God in the OT are moral yet imperfect.

Jews deny Jesus is God. Muslims deny Jesus is God. Jews believe he was either a liar, or a more popular term “a good man” while Muslims believe that he was sent by God to guide people back to the truth.

But somehow, Jews worship the same God, and Muslims worship a false God.

Where is the logic?
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Hehehe…Faith…do you know what does it mean by OLD testament and NEW testament? hehehe.
Just answer my question first, because you seem to be indignant…so far…hahaha…
 
Has anyone read catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0301fea4.asp

What are your opinions of this article? I’d like to here both Muslim and Catholic opinions (but mainly Catholic ones).

Also, it seems that most Muslims wouldn’t say that Christians worship the one true God. Do Muslims on this forum believe that Christians worship the one true God?
 
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Faith101:
But somehow, Jews worship the same God, and Muslims worship a false God.
Where is the logic?
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You are looking for the logic? Read history of Jews and Christian. and you will find out Islam has nothing to do with both religions. 😛 😃
 
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Faith101:
Muslims believe in the God of Abraham. If thats not the God you worship, then I would agree that we dont worship the same God 😃
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I believe that Muslims worship a false god, the god of the Quran. I believe that the god of the Quran is **not ** the God of Abraham. You claim to worship the God of Abraham but that doesn’t necessarily mean that you actually do worship the God of Abraham.

If the king of England pretended to be the king of Rome and told me to serve him and I, believing he was the king of Rome, began serving him saying to people ‘I serve the king of Rome’, I would be claiming to serve the king of Rome but would actually be serving the king of England.
 
Christians worship the Holy Trinity, the one true God.

Christians worship the Lord Jesus Christ, the one true God.

Do Muslims believe Christians worship the one true God?
 
we do not worship the same God. Its like having the same name for 2 different dishes. We believe in Lord Jesus. We believe in the Holy Trinity, the one true God. We call God father. Our God is so merciful that He saved us. Our God loves us and we love him. We are children not slaves. Our God does not permit polygamy, or having slaves, or raping slaves. Our God is completly different and our relationship with God is completly different. God who sent Jesus is NOT the same God who sent mohammad. God does not contradict himself, so he cant sent someone ideal like Jesus with the message of love, forgiveness and salvation, then send the terrible sinful mohammad who raped, robbed, married more than 10 women, and had pervert feelings with a 9 year old kid. God who saved us by Jesus cannot send mohammad who wanted to keep Gods children away from their salvation. Jesus’ claims and behaviour cannot even be matched with mohammad.
 
Cyber Knight:
You are looking for the logic? Read history of Jews and Christian. and you will find out Islam has nothing to do with both religions. 😛 😃
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Actually, it has EVERYTHING to do with both religions, as Islam can be seen as a heresy of Christianity (itself the flowering of Judaism).

My question to Muslims would be simply: if the basic idea is that Jews and Christians have corrupted divine revelation, where’s the proof of that? Where are the ancient texts showing the “pure” message, which then can be compared to the “corrupt” texts? In short, without proof, there’s no reason to believe that Islam is more than a later corruption of Jewish and Christian beliefs. Why the Qu’ran should be regarded any differently than the Gnostic gospels (some of which are older than the Qu’ran) is a question I’d like answered.
 
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Sherlock:
Actually, it has EVERYTHING to do with both religions, as Islam can be seen as a heresy of Christianity (itself the flowering of Judaism).

My question to Muslims would be simply: if the basic idea is that Jews and Christians have corrupted divine revelation, where’s the proof of that? Where are the ancient texts showing the “pure” message, which then can be compared to the “corrupt” texts? In short, without proof, there’s no reason to believe that Islam is more than a later corruption of Jewish and Christian beliefs. Why the Qu’ran should be regarded any differently than the Gnostic gospels (some of which are older than the Qu’ran) is a question I’d like answered.
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Jesus did not come to make a “new” religion. Jesus came to fulfill the prophecies about him…judaism and christianity are interrelated. Islam, on the other hand, has nothing to do with both. Thats why mohammad decided to claim that both are corrupt, otherwise he couldnt have claimed that he continues both. Unfortunatly for muslims, the dead sea scrolls showed that the OT is the same one we have today…i have the 3 volume set. And the NT , if it were to be burnt , we can still remake it only by using the sermons of the early Christians who used to quote the bible…we can rewrite all the NT except 11 verses !! but moslems dont want to see this. The want to follow 1 mortal.
 
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Sherlock:
My question to Muslims would be simply: if the basic idea is that Jews and Christians have corrupted divine revelation, where’s the proof of that? Where are the ancient texts showing the “pure” message, which then can be compared to the “corrupt” texts? In short, without proof, there’s no reason to believe that Islam is more than a later corruption of Jewish and Christian beliefs. Why the Qu’ran should be regarded any differently than the Gnostic gospels (some of which are older than the Qu’ran) is a question I’d like answered.
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I doubt that Muslims can even prove that the Quran claims that the Bible is corrupt
 
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discipleofJesus:
I doubt that Muslims can even prove that the Quran claims that the Bible is corrupt
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oh thats very easy !! everything contradictory to quran is …bingo! corrupted 😃 says who? mohammad ! who cares? he recieved it from jibreel ! who heard jibreel other than mohammad? no one ! talk about circular reasoning. And we all know who can take the shape of an angel to deceive many
 
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inJESUS:
oh thats very easy !! everything contradictory to quran is …bingo! corrupted 😃 says who? mohammad ! who cares? he recieved it from jibreel ! who heard jibreel other than mohammad? no one ! talk about circular reasoning. And we all know who can take the shape of an angel to deceive many
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Yea i know what you mean. But I doubt that there is any clear verse in the Quran that clearly states the Bible is corrupt.

If it doesn’t say the Bible is corrupt but accepts it as the revelation of God, then clearly the Quran contradicts the Bible and clearly that is more proof that the Quran is not from God.

It’s not very important, whether the Quran claims the Bible is corrupt or not.
 
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inJESUS:
Jesus did not come to make a “new” religion. Jesus came to fulfill the prophecies about him…judaism and christianity are interrelated…
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That’s what I was saying.
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inJESUS:
Islam, on the other hand, has nothing to do with both. Thats why mohammad decided to claim that both are corrupt, otherwise he couldnt have claimed that he continues both. .
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You’re missing the point I was making. I’m saying that Islam is related in the sense that any heresy is related to the doctrine it corrupts. Without Judaism or Christianity, there would be no foundation for Islam to corrupt, thus there would be no Islam. THAT’S what I mean by “related”.
 
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discipleofJesus:
Yea i know what you mean. But I doubt that there is any clear verse in the Quran that clearly states the Bible is corrupt.

If it doesn’t say the Bible is corrupt but accepts it as the revelation of God, then clearly the Quran contradicts the Bible and clearly that is more proof that the Quran is not from God.

It’s not very important, whether the Quran claims the Bible is corrupt or not.
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yes there is a verse that hints at it but i forgot where it is.
Well mohammad approved ( thank him) on the bible at his time…but we all know it is the same one we have today…history is a problem to mohammads claims.
 
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inJESUS:
oh thats very easy !! everything contradictory to quran is …bingo! corrupted 😃 says who? mohammad ! who cares? he recieved it from jibreel ! who heard jibreel other than mohammad? no one ! talk about circular reasoning. And we all know who can take the shape of an angel to deceive many
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I could imagine Muhammad doing that, and he probably did do it. Although I’m still not sure that there is a clear verse in the Quran that says the Bible is corrupt.
 
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inJESUS:
oh thats very easy !! everything contradictory to quran is …bingo! corrupted 😃 says who? mohammad ! who cares? he recieved it from jibreel ! who heard jibreel other than mohammad? no one ! talk about circular reasoning. And we all know who can take the shape of an angel to deceive many
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You mean Satan … ?

Here are some biblical references regarding Satan.

Satan masquerades as an angel of light, and his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness (2 Cor 11:14-15). He is at work in those who are disobedient (Eph 2:2). He sows “weeds” (Mt 13:38-39), and can work through anyone (Mt 16:23; Mk 8:33). He can even display counterfeit miracles, signs, and wonders (2 Thes 2:9).

This is worth thinking for Christians, and we should be wary of any doctrine especifically that deny the death and resurrection of Jesus. Satan will do his utmost to undo what Jesus has done. By his death and resurrection Jesus achieved the victory over sin and death. And those who believe will be saved (Jn 3:16). Satan first line of attack would therefore to strike at the heart of Christianity, that is, to create doubt that Jesus died on the cross.

The devil twists the scriptures for his purposes and perverts the right ways of the Lord (Mt 4:1-11; Lk 4:2-13; Acts 13:10). He is cunning and deceives (2 Cor 11:3). He schemes and tries to outwit us (2 Cor 2:11; Eph 6:11), and is full of all kinds of deceit and trickery (Acts 13:10). He takes the Word away from hearts (Lk 8:12), and blinds the minds of unbelievers (2 Cor 4:4). He traps and takes captive (2 Tim 2:26), binds (Lk 13:16), incites (1 Chro 21:1) and, in general, is a stumbling block (Mt 16:23). He can fill one’s heart (Acts 5:3) and lead minds astray from Christ (2 Cor 11:3).

Eventhough it’s a forgone conclusion that he will be defeated,[Scriptures tell us he stands condemned (Jn 16:11), God will crush him (Rom 16:20), and our Lord Jesus will overthrow and destroy him (2 Thes 2:8), eternal fire was prepared for him and his angels (Mt 25:41)] he will not stop to decieve and there are those who fall victim to his lies.
 
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