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J.R
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If they do please tell me who or what gave it to them?
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Heathen_Dawn
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J.R.:
Yes.
We are born with a soul just as we are born with a body. It may be a new soul or one just reincarnated from a previous body.
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Heathen Dawn:
If it is a reincarnated one then who or what created it?
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MrS
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J.R.:
Don’t be suprised if they answer Michael Moore…
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Heathen_Dawn
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J.R.:
I don’t follow. Whether a reincarnated or a new soul, it had to be born sometime. Just like the flesh and blood. Creation had to be based on transcendence in order to come to existence in the first place, about 15,000 million years ago, but from then on, all new things are formed through the immanent life-force in everything. The universe was created by God, and myself by my two parents together with the laws of nature God instituted when He created the universe.
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Jermosh
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HD,
Is there a Hiarchy of gods in the Wiccan belief? I remember from some old roomies that there were many gods in the belief, but they mentioned 2 that I remember one was earth the other was the sky. It is at all simular to greek mythology? Also is there a supreme God?
Is there a Hiarchy of gods in the Wiccan belief? I remember from some old roomies that there were many gods in the belief, but they mentioned 2 that I remember one was earth the other was the sky. It is at all simular to greek mythology? Also is there a supreme God?
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Heathen_Dawn
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No, definitely not. There is one female Goddess and one male God, and They’re equals. Of course, a Wiccan may believe in the traditional polytheistic pantheons, where for example Jupiter is the top Roman God, but in worship, having one Goddess and one God, the two are on the same level.
It’s a division of roles and locations and magisteria, not a hierarchy. Earth Goddess / Sky God ; Moon Goddess / Sun God ; Goddess of Crops / God of Rain ; Nutrix / Fertiliser ; and so on.
None called such, but all Gods and Goddesses are believed to be the manifestations of an abstract and formless Divinity or Creator-God, usually called “The One.”
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Jermosh
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Thanks!
Another question. What constitunts a soul? Do only humans have souls? Do all things have equal souls. All living souls? Or all Living things have a soul, but only Humans have immortal souls.
Also is the reincanation simularto hinduism? In that depending on your works you will get a higher level body for good works. Like if you live a good life you will come back as a elephant, live a bad life come back as a slug. Also is it a conscience reincarnation?
Another question. What constitunts a soul? Do only humans have souls? Do all things have equal souls. All living souls? Or all Living things have a soul, but only Humans have immortal souls.
Also is the reincanation simularto hinduism? In that depending on your works you will get a higher level body for good works. Like if you live a good life you will come back as a elephant, live a bad life come back as a slug. Also is it a conscience reincarnation?
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Heathen_Dawn
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No definitive belief. Some say it’s a nonsubstantial essence, some say it’s a substantial spiritual body. I hold to the latter.
No, all life has.
Not much thought has been given to this, but most Wiccans believe their pets have life after death as well.
No, it’s not like in Hinduism. There is no cross-species transmigration—a human can’t end up but as a human in the next reincarnation, a dog as a dog etc. No reward and punishment in the reincarnation system. All rewards and punishments come to you in the current life.
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Heathen Dawn:
On what are you basing Creation started 15,000 million yrs. ago and also what is the life-force? We agree that God created the universe but in another post you state that there is two equal Gods, one male and one female. Which one of the two created the other if as you stated that God (single form) created the universe?
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Heathen_Dawn
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J.R.:
That’s what the scientific evidence says: Big Bang, beginning of the universe, about 15,000 million years ago.
I am not saying God is merely a force; but He is also the life-force behind every atom and every living creature. This concept is not so alien to Christianity as you may think: the Bible says all things consist and have their being in Christ. And one Christian wrote my favorite hymn, Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise, where the following two lines are found:
J.R.:
Wiccans believe the male God and the female Goddess are the personal faces of the single, sexless Creator-God. The single Creator-God created the universe, but Wiccans worship that one by worshipping the Goddess and the God.
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Jermosh
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Cool thanks for the info.
Another ? if you don’t mind.
Is there any afterlife? Also since we have a growing population, we will run out of recarnated souls, so new ones need to be made. Who or what controls this?
Another ? if you don’t mind.
Is there any afterlife? Also since we have a growing population, we will run out of recarnated souls, so new ones need to be made. Who or what controls this?
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Madaglan
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This leads me to a few questions. If you believe in the big bang theory, then I would imagine that you believe that life on earth grew gradually rather than instantaneously. If not, then please pardon me. If you do, however, I do not see any feasibility in your belief of non-transmigrational reincarnation. What happens when a species goes extinct? What do deceased members of that species reincarnate into?
Also, concerning rewards and punishments. It seems logical that, if a Creator God is to reward or punish someone, He will let his creations know the guidelines directing reward and punishment. If the Creator God is not just, he most likely will not let His people know the guidelines by which one is rewarded or punished; and rewards are no longer by definition rewards, but allowances, and punishments simply becomes violence. So, granted that your Creator God is just, how do you know the guidelines by which you receive reward and punishment? How is it revealed to you? By private revelation? Are Wiccans unanimous in the guidelines they live by?
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dumspirospero
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LOL…you took the words out of my mouth Madaglan…take it to them…we must seek out and discredit all heretics. Keep up the good fight.
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FelixBlue
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Just a little correction here: Heathen Dawn is not a heretic; she is a Wiccan, i.e. of a different religion. The term doesn’t make sense out of the (broadly) Christian context.
Also, thus far the conversation was running along very smoothly without you throwing in an ad hominem. Again, if you have an argument to make (which no doubt there are arguments to be made…), make an argument. Don’t resort to ad hominems.
Sorry Dawn…
And the rest of you…keep up with the great line of questioning.
Dawn, a question: how does one go from (what I assume is an) impersonal god/force to persons (whether god/goddess and humans)? And which is greater: the impersonal or the personal?
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Felix HeathenDawn is male.
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Heathen_Dawn
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No, of course not. I’m here for this purpose.
Yes. There is the stay at the Summerland between incarnations.
I don’t know the mechanics of this.
I want to tell you another thing: reincarnation is the Traditional Wiccan belief, the standard belief, but it’s not an essential, and it can be dispensed with. There are some Wiccans who don’t believe in any kind of afterlife, and some, like me, who don’t believe reincarnation plays an important role. My own afterlife beliefs come from Spiritualism, where it is believed the majority of humans after death begin a new life as spirits in the spiritual realms.
Yes, I’m an evolutionist.
I suppose cross-species reincarnation is only possible when there are enough of the species, of course. But I really haven’t given it much thought.
Wiccans believe rewards and punishments happen in the here and now, not waiting for you in the afterlife. I actually do believe your life on earth shapes your state in the afterlife (though never for eternity as in Christianity). But Wicca does not set so much store in reward and punishment as Christianity does. It is assumed humans know how to behave and don’t need a carrot and stick in order to stay in line. As for guidelines, the Wiccan Rede (if it harms none, do as you will) and the Threefold Law (every action of yours returns to you threefold—but the “three” is symbolic, not mathematical; see my article on the Threefold Law) are generally accepted.
Correct. I’ve been long enough here to learn that the right term for me is “infidel.”
BTW, as said, I’m a man (and straight at that).You don’t have to go from this to that. It is believed the Creator-God has both personal and impersonal aspects, is both personal and impersonal (a bit like wave-particle duality, but I digress). The Hindus call the personal aspect saguna Brahman and the impersonal aspect nirguna Brahman (ie with and without attributes). The Gods and Goddesses are the personal, anthropomorphic manifestations of the Creator. But the Creator is also the life-force in every atom.
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Heathen Dawn you seem well educated in your beliefs even though I disagree with them. My question to you is where is those beliefs written down and who wrote them? Do you believe them to be devinely inspired or are they one or more persons thoughts written down that you agree with? We as Christians hold that the Bible to be God’s revealed truth.
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Heathen_Dawn
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J.R.:
Nah, just kidding. Well, seriously, when Wiccans write things down, which may or may not include beliefs, they write it down in a Book of Shadows. The first such BOS was that of Gerald Gardner, the founder of Wicca, and you can find it, complete, online (on the Internet Sacred Text Archive). But it contains much more than creeds and theology.
As well as the BOS, there are books written by Wiccan authors and available in the stores. I don’t like those much, since they’re an example of blatant commercialisation. But I too started with one such, an obligatory book for beginners by Scott Cunningham.
Thank you.
Ah, overvaluing the written word, just like your Prodestant brethren.
Nah, just kidding. Well, seriously, when Wiccans write things down, which may or may not include beliefs, they write it down in a Book of Shadows. The first such BOS was that of Gerald Gardner, the founder of Wicca, and you can find it, complete, online (on the Internet Sacred Text Archive). But it contains much more than creeds and theology.As well as the BOS, there are books written by Wiccan authors and available in the stores. I don’t like those much, since they’re an example of blatant commercialisation. But I too started with one such, an obligatory book for beginners by Scott Cunningham.
Some of them may be believed to be divinely inspired; however, they’re never viewed as authoritative or ruling, let alone inerrant. For example a book that explains Wiccan theology will tell of the Goddess and the God. But the Wiccan who reads such a book is not expected to take this on faith; instead he or she is expected, after having read it, to perform works that lead to a living relationship with the Goddess and the God. The beginning of the path may be faith, but the destination of it is experience—to know, not just to believe.
Well, all I can say is, Christians are in a better mindset than Muslims are. Muslims don’t think God is personal that we could have a relationship with Him; they’re content with knowing Him on paper, knowing His attributes as described in the Qur’an. Whereas Christianity is about knowing God in person and not just on paper. In that, Christianity and paganism are very similar.
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