My wife and daughters actually use the pill for regulation and such. And this is prescribed by a VERY PRO-LIFE DOCTOR. Very big in the PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT. If this doctor decides it is OK for my wife and daughters to use this then I believe this doctor. Very active in the Catholic Church too.
Finding it very hard to disagree with anything in this post. I think pregnancy, childbirth, infant mortality and everything associated with it in some of these areas is almost beyond our understanding here in the west. Just as an example, think about the safe birth kits that some countries put together to send to developing countries - they cost a few dollars and contain a plastic sheet, some soap, a pair of gloves, string or cord to use to tie the umbilical cord, and a clean blade to cut the cord. How many of us could fathom having a child year after year under the conditions that must exist for those kits to be needed?
Your comment about her going to hell is despicable and you are in no position to judge her.
I suppose by your “thinking” the same logic applies to the overwhelming majority of Catholic women who use some form of artificial birth control.
It is an argument that gay marriage advocates question, if marriage is about procreation, why do we allow heterosexual infertile couples, senior citizens who can not conceive get married? Heterosexual couples, even if they do not intend to have children, have biological complementarity. Gay couples can not have biological procreative sexual union even if their sexual organs function properly. Aspect of the sex union that makes a couple suitable for marriage is the potential for procreation. Children have been born from couples who thought they were infertileThose who argue for so-called “same-sex marriage” only talk about the infertile heterosexual couples as if infertility is the norm among heterosexuals. But these are the same ones that argue that all women (apparently even the infertile ones) need access to contraceptives.
I’m sure God will be so happy that He no longer has to judge since You have made an argument which you believe allows you to decide Mrs. Gates and others’ fate’s of their souls…glad to know you can see into the human heart - I’m sure God will be happy to know He has an understudy who can discern all circumstances of someone’s actions… “Judge not lest Ye be judged…” (Matthew 7:1) better stop looking for the plank in Melinda’s eye and check your own.
Actually, some of us do need them - those contraceptives that you think I just “want” can keep me from bleeding out at times - so on whole, no most won’t kill over without them but they actually allow some of us to continue on AND have the possibility of having more childrent later. And I’ve also got to say, there are MANY women out there who have been told by their doctors that they should NOT get pregnant again or it could cause them to die. For many, contraceptives allow them to still enjoy intimacy with their husbands without having the constant fear - yes, I know it’s not 100% but for those that are serious about needing to take it every day, at the same time, without fail because their life could depend upon it, yes they are necessary to them as well.
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.” Romans 12:2
Indeed, I understand some people actually do *need *them in the true sense of the word. This is not the reason Gates is promoting them, however. She is promoting them as a means to prevent conception. That is the whole point of this entire thread. The context of my previous post was with regards to using contraceptives for their originally intended purpose, not alternative uses such as the ones you describe.
Well the question on the forum was “Do women need access to contraceptives” So to me that meant - do women ever need contraceptives- need being the key word here - and honestly even as a form of birth control, I believe it had it’s place. My great aunt had 8 kids in 7 years - no one taught them about spacing children - she was worn out - she told her husband ‘no more- i’m done!’ she was worn out and tired and as she told one of our relatives ‘sick of being pregnant all the time’ - She would have jumped at having a way to not get pregnant anymore…and guess how she died - with her 9th pregnancy. She would have had a much longer life if there had been contraceptives. Of course I understand that things were different back then but still - there are still places on Earth where women have kids from the time they have their first period until they drop dead, (some I bet are happy to get away from this Earth where it’s a never ending series of pregnancies and births) I just don’t believe that women should have to go through that. And the truth is that the approved method of spacing births by the Church does not work for all women. I wish it did.
Are these women being forced to have sex? If so, then what they need is to be freed from their rapists, not the provision of free carcinogens. If not, then they don’t really “need” them, as sex isn’t something of which one must partake in order to survive and/or have a decent life. If NFP doesn’t work and you don’t want more children, how about not having sex? You don’t need contraceptives to not have sex, only a modicum of self control. Again, we’re talking true needs here, not wants and not “I’d be nice ifs”.
In some cultures and especially at the turn of the century it was almost unheard of to deny your husband your ‘womanly duties’ - and yes that’s the way it still is in some places - but for us in America, yeah, stopping sex because NFP won’t work I’m sure will make for some wonderfully happy marriages - it’s easy to say "just don’t have sex anymore or until you hit menopause’ but realistically if you want to have a good, loving marriage, then making love is part of that recipie. ( And you asked if thier ‘quality of life’ would be diminished at all? in certain circumstances yes - especially if you believe the quality of a marriage impacts her quality of life) I know there are times when that’s no longer physically possible for reasons - but to have to deny your husband for years because you don’t want or don’t feel you should have any more children - that’s just not realistic. That’s not what I belive God intended marriage to be - but I also don’t believe that he intended wives to have to become a constant, miserable, exhausted baby making machine (and yes this does still happen in countries). I realize that isn’t the norm in America any longer or in many developed countries - but I have a lot of trouble believing in a God who would force a choice like that on women and I know of quite a few Priests and even some Bishops who would agree.
Then in such cases, what women “need” is to be free from coercion. Not access to chemicals.
Again, let’s focus on the word “need”. You don’t need contraceptives, even if we consider what you just said. This is still a “want”. One doesn’t need to be married or have sex. You may want to, for sure. But you don’t need it.
You still have not explained how this makes it a “need”. It’s a want, a wish. You say “it’s not realistic not to have sex” but that’s just desires talking. There is no need to have sex or be married at all. I’m not saying this will make your marriage awesome or that it won’t be tough or that it’s in any way desirable. I’m arguing that what you’re talking about does not equate to a need. Pandering to emotions does not change this fact.
As I said before, the solution to this is justice, not drugs. You’re attacking a symptom and not the problem. If women are treated like sex dolls and baby mills, it’s because of the culture and the views regarding the status of women. Not because she doesn’t have access to artificial birth control.
This is pretty scary. We don’t need schismatic bishops and priests teaching things that are contrary to Church doctrine. Such people are not in communion with the Church and really oughtn’t be continuing in their positions.
I doubt that all the Catholics using ABC or forms of sterilization feel this way.
