Are you serious? That makes perfect sense. Jews worship the one, true God. You know, like allllll those folks on the Old Testament.
You realize that Moses, Abraham, David, and everyone else back then didn’t worship the Trinity, right? Well, people are still Jewish today.Define invincible ignorance.
Yes they did worship the trinity in the Old Testament, but is was an imperfect knowledge. Their religion was based on the coming of the messiah, who was the second person of the Trinity. Our Lord came to “perfect the law”, and in doing so giving the fullness of the doctrine of the Trinity. Yes, all those “Old Testament Saints” did worship the Trinity.Are you serious? That makes perfect sense. Jews worship the one, true God. You know, like allllll those folks on the Old Testament.
From Wikipedia:
-Not actually a definition
The Church teaches that they worship the same God as we do and that’s good enough for me.
One point of disagreement: Judaism was NOT and is NOT “based on the coming of the messiah.” The Messiah is hardly mentioned at all in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) and especially not in the Law (Torah). Judaism was and is based on the mission of taking on the responsibilities inherent in practicing the Law to the best of one’s ability in one’s daily life, as commanded by G-d. That translates, in general terms, to loving G-d and loving one’s neighbor, as Rabbi Hillel the Elder and later Rabbi Jesus stated. To live a good, meaningful life imbued by moral, just, and merciful behavior is the essential heart and soul of Judaism.
In what sense is G-d (the Father) an idol?
Adherents of this position remind me of someone earnestly sawing off the branch of a tree they are currently sitting on.
You might want to read some of the Vatican II documents:
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
And there is the problem; Neither the Muslims nor the Jews, recognize Jesus in the Trinity of the one true God. Muslims deny the Jewish tradition and Jewish tradition denies Jesus as the Christ.
Idol worship seems a bit … unhelpful. The NT certainly views Christ as the fullness of God’s revelation in the OT, but it never invalidates it - it never says the God revealed in the OT isn’t the same God who Christ reveals. At best, I suppose you could say the Jews worship God incompletely, but this isn’t the same thing as idolatry. Jesus didn’t call the Samaritan woman an idolater because she was worshipping what she did not fully know.
Remember that both that Paul VI and John XXIII both stated that Vatican II “is a pastoral council”, therefore that statement is not a doctrine of the Church, only a opinion of the council. Since the Church has always taught, and even prayed for “those Infidels”, prior to Vatican II, I’d side with the traditional teaching of all time and not the “pastoral” recommendations of a few.You might want to read some of the Vatican II documents:
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
It may not make sense to someone reared in Christianity, but if you were outside of it, which would seem easier to believe? One God, indivisible, or One God manifested in three personalities?
I understand that, as it’s a matter of Faith. But as Catholics we are called to bring everyone to the Catholic Faith for their salvation. To say they believe in the same God as us is to weaken our resolve (most of our resolves, not all) to bring them to the true doctrine of the Trinity.
Yeah. I’m not going to touch that all.Remember that both that Paul VI and John XXIII both stated that Vatican II “is a pastoral council”, therefore that statement is not a doctrine of the Church, only a opinion of the council. Since the Church has always taught, and even prayed for “those Infidels”, prior to Vatican II, I’d side with the traditional teaching of all time and not the “pastoral” recommendations of a few.
I originally was going to attack the language (Elohim vs Allah, etc), but came to a realization that is much more important.