Do You Attend An FSSP Parish?

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For those of us not fortunate to live in a diocese where the FSSP has been approved by the local Bishop. would you please clarify your abbreviations and state what it is you are talking about this would also be helpful to new converts or those who may be considering conversion in the near future . Thanks Augie
 
Augie1530 said:
For those of us not fortunate to live in a diocese where the FSSP has been approved by the local Bishop. would you please clarify your abbreviations and state what it is you are talking about this would also be helpful to new converts or those who may be considering conversion in the near future . Thanks Augie
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FSSP are the Latin Initials for the “Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter.” they offer mass in the Extraordinary form (Pre-Vatican II Latin mass) and have apostolates around the world. You can read more about them here.

The society arose in response to the problems that arose between the Society of St. Pius X and Rome, so that the faithful could have a traditional Latin Mass without worrying about the licitness of it.
 
Traddy said:
Fr. Novokowsky is my cousin!! He’s awesome - his sermons were so good! He had some stand-outs a few times, believe me!! He was at our parish - St. Clement - from 2003-2005. I have yet to see him since he left, though he came back recently for only one night to attend our parish dinner. I didn’t go 😦

On another note, Fr. Berg is in town! His plane touched down an hour ago. He’ll be here till Thursday, I think.
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Sorry about the misspelling of Fr.'s name! 😊 If you could, tell Fr. Berg that Will and Rebecca in Stockton, CA say Hi and we miss him! Thanks 😃
 
For those of us not fortunate to live in a diocese where the FSSP has been approved by the local Bishop. would you please clarify your abbreviations and state what it is you are talking about this would also be helpful to new converts or those who may be considering conversion in the near future . Thanks Augie
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FSSP = Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri
FSSPX = Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X
Sorry about the misspelling of Fr.'s name! If you could, tell Fr. Berg that Will and Rebecca in Stockton, CA say Hi and we miss him! Thanks
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Hehe, don’t worry! The very first time I saw hime, he said to me and my brother: “If you can’t spell or say my name, just call me Fr.Kowsky.” 🙂

Sure, if I see Fr. Berg and remember, I’ll tell him 🙂
 
Traddy said:
FSSP = Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri
FSSPX = Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X

Hehe, don’t worry! The very first time I saw hime, he said to me and my brother: “If you can’t spell or say my name, just call me Fr.Kowsky.” 🙂

Sure, if I see Fr. Berg and remember, I’ll tell him 🙂
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Thanks a bunch! he was the priest who married us and brought my wife into the Church - so he has a special place in our hearts! ❤️

I got to play golf with Father Novokowsky at a fundraiser once, it was a blast! He’s a pretty competitive guy 🙂
 
It is tradition that the husband is responsible, has an actual duty bound under sin (barring of course extraordinary circumstances, etc.) to provide for his wife so she does not have to work outside of the home – where her duties lie.

This is what I’ve heard from the F.S.S.P. on this issue, and all the details, particular, and how binding particular bits are I have yet to look into. But it is not a matter of opinion for them. It is a matter of the essential roles and nature of the family in tradition, which as we all know in these times has come under assault to the point where people do not even understand the basics and so it is of the highest priority to correct.

We’ve lost a lot of tradition, a whole lot – it should not surprise people to find out they’re missing out on whole swathes of core knowledge. And I would think personality clashes would matter very little compared to acquiring a proper education. It can and normatively should be a good exercise in humility and other virtues.

I do not want to derail this thread, but I want to state this for the record. I wonder how some people would handle working for St. Jean Marie Vianney. 🙂
 
Thanks a bunch! he was the priest who married us and brought my wife into the Church - so he has a special place in our hearts!
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I got to play golf with Father Novokowsky at a fundraiser once, it was a blast! He’s a pretty competitive guy
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Wow, that is very, very nice!

Yeah, he played at the Knights of Columbus golf tournament thing here for the years he was here. He hasn’t had a lot of time since then to practice his swing, apparently.
 
Shin said:
It is tradition that the husband is responsible, has an actual duty bound under sin (barring of course extraordinary circumstances, etc.) to provide for his wife so she does not have to work outside of the home – where her duties lie.

This is what I’ve heard from the F.S.S.P. on this issue, and all the details, particular, and how binding particular bits are I have yet to look into. But it is not a matter of opinion for them. It is a matter of the essential roles and nature of the family in tradition, which as we all know in these times has come under assault to the point where people do not even understand the basics and so it is of the highest priority to correct.

We’ve lost a lot of tradition, a whole lot – it should not surprise people to find out they’re missing out on whole swathes of core knowledge. And I would think personality clashes would matter very little compared to acquiring a proper education. It can and normatively should be a good exercise in humility and other virtues.

I do not want to derail this thread, but I want to state this for the record. I wonder how some people would handle working for St. Jean Marie Vianney. 🙂
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What you say is so, so true. 👍
 
Traddy said:
Wow, that is very, very nice!

Yeah, he played at the Knights of Columbus golf tournament thing here for the years he was here. He hasn’t had a lot of time since then to practice his swing, apparently.
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I didn’t say he was Tiger Woods, I just said he was competitive 😛

He is better than me though 🙂
 
Shin - In a normal economy, I would say that what you say is generally appropriate. The father does have a responsibility to provide for his family, and the mother should stay home with the children. In an ideal world.

(Unfortunately, we are not living in an ideal world right now economically speaking.)

Don’t take offense, but what kind of fairy land is the FSSP living in?

If you happen to pick up a paper lately, or read the news, you will soon realize that the economy is in tatters, unemployment is through the roof and growing daily, layoffs abound, companies are filing bankruptcy, etc.

Workers can’t find work because of hiring freezes, and for most Americans finding a well-paying job in these circumstances is a sheer miracle if it happens at all.

I really could care less what an FSSP priest says about their misconceived notions about “traditional family roles”. They can go jump in a lake.

Families are fighting tooth and nail to survive. If that means that the wife has to take a position temporarily, and the father stays home, so be it.

A little sympathy towards the congregation is in order, not chastisement of families trying to get through these difficult times.

I want a priest that understands reality. Not a priest that lives in some fantasy world and has no comprehension of what families are going through right now.

The FSSP priest that gave this sermon on this subject is so out of touch on this point, it’s pathetic.

This idea that the priest can humiliate his congregation over what - as far as I can tell - is most emphatically NOT Church doctrine (correct me if I am wrong), is absolutely ridiculous and flies totally in face of economic realities for many hard-working families.

I decided then and there that this was not the parish for me, and they would be receiving no further tithes from our family. It was just one more thing in a long line of bad experiences with this parish and leadership of this church.

As Trump would say, “You’re fired!”
 
I attend a Latin Mass done by an FSSP priest every Sunday morning. Instead of entire parish being FSSP we have a group of people called the “St. Mother Theodore Guerin Latin Mass Community” that worships at my parish church. Those who choose to belong to the Latin Mass Community in our area are expected to be members of the parish that’s letting them use the church building for their Masses. The priest who says these Masses lives in another part of the diocese where he says daily Masses as well. The Mother Theodore Guerin Community is in that city as well so there must be one Latin Mass community even if it’s in 2 parts of the diocese.

When I attended my first Mass with the Mother Theodore Guerin Community the priest said one of these days we’ll have our own chaplain-which is what this priest is called. I was already a member of the parish that hosts the FSSP Mass and joined the Latin Mass Community.🙂
 
Sounds like some of you have an unfriendly priest to pray for as well as some people whom he has alienated.

I have nothing but good things to say about the FSSP priest in our diocese. He has moved around and I remember his mentioning being sent to Tulsa, OK and Omaha, NE. And he was the superior for a while-if I heard him correctly. Now he’s in the Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend. His name is George Gabet. Since you’re now starting to mention these priests by name and that Fr. Gabet has been moved around a few times, I thought maybe some of the other people here who have been attending the FSSP Masses might know him. I consider him to be a friendly happy person and am grateful to have him say the traditional Mass at my parish. I sat in on his Confirmation class and he got me laughing while teaching some really good serious Catholicism-including stuff I didn’t know when I was confirmed 33 years ago.

I hope that those of you who had difficulty with that other priest will find another Traditional Mass priest like Fr. Gabet and be able to find a TLM community you’d feel at home in-without having to turn to the SSPX.👍
 
Traddy - It would be totally inappropriate to name the priest or priests by name on a public forum. Thanks.
 
His name is George Gabet. Since you’re now starting to mention these priests by name and that Fr. Gabet has been moved around a few times, I thought maybe some of the other people here who have been attending the FSSP Masses might know him.
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He came to our parish when he was district superior. He’s a very nice man, and a holy priest. A happy guy too!
 
StGerardMajella said:
Shin - In a normal economy, I would say that what you say is generally appropriate. The father does have a responsibility to provide for his family, and the mother should stay home with the children. In an ideal world.

(Unfortunately, we are not living in an ideal world right now economically speaking.)

Don’t take offense, but what kind of fairy land is the FSSP living in?

If you happen to pick up a paper lately, or read the news, you will soon realize that the economy is in tatters, unemployment is through the roof and growing daily, layoffs abound, companies are filing bankruptcy, etc.

Workers can’t find work because of hiring freezes, and for most Americans finding a well-paying job in these circumstances is a sheer miracle if it happens at all.

I really could care less what an FSSP priest says about their misconceived notions about “traditional family roles”. They can go jump in a lake.
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I would say that while it may be difficult, it is appropriate for us to try to achieve the harmonious balance in our family. It is appropriate for the priests to encourage this and to explain why the roles of husband and wife are so important, and that we should strive towards the ideal family structure. However, I don’t think it’s right to chastise those who, through no fault of their own, find themselves in a situation that makes this difficult or impossible.

I would say that if this priest were saying you were “living in sin” by having a wife that works is over the line. But to suggest that this is not the way things should be if one can avoid it is absolutely appropriate. My wife is studying to become a nurse. She will probably work full time when she is done for a while, and then hopefully move to part time. There are numerous reasons for this. First, we would like to have a larger family and are basically starting to live on credit cards with the family we have (My income alone is good, but just barely squeaking by). Second, nursing is a laudable profession that is traditionally done by women. (This is not to say men can’t be nurses - it is just as laudable for them, too), just that it isn’t an inappropriate job for a woman to have. Third - my wife needs to have some professional education and training so that, God forbid, if somethign should happen to me, she would be able to support our (hopefully larger) family.

Ideally though, we don’t want to have both of us working full time, since that would be counter productive to having a large family and providing for all our children’s needs, outside of food and shelter.
 
Traddy said:
He came to our parish when he was district superior. He’s a very nice man, and a holy priest. A happy guy too!
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You got that right! He was at St. Patrick’s in Omaha for several years. He was always smiling or laughing about something :rotfl:
 
Pickguard1 - What you are describing is the ideal, in a working economy. For most families, this happens to be one of the most difficult economies right now with all of the massive layoffs, high unemployment, hiring freezes, etc.

My objection with the FSSP priest in this regard is that he is deviating from Church doctrine. I don’t believe that this is a hard and fast rule in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I could be wrong, but I don’t remember reading anywhere that it is a firm requirement that mothers stay home and fathers work 2-3 jobs.

Worse yet, I don’t appreciate the FSSP chastizing the congregation on this matter. It’s overstepping boundaries. Stick with the traditional catechism and stop making judgments about family roles. Instead, the priest should be supportive and encouraging.

Those fathers that assume the role as caretaker in the home should be commended, and complimented for their devotion to their family. They should not be humiliated, embarrassed, and ridiculed. Most fathers I know that play the “Mr. Mom” role have been downsized due to circumstances beyond their control. While they look for another position - a near impossibility given the contracting economy - their local parish priest should not be humiliating the parishioners that are just trying to scrape by in difficult circumstances.

And this goes to a larger criticism in general - Myopia. While adherence to traditional moral standards is admirable and even appreciated, it sometimes steps past the boundaries of common sense, respect for the individual, and decency.
 
Yes you certainly have a whole boatload of unrestrained criticism and characterization, Mr. Trump.
 
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