Do you believe in Adam and Eve or Evolution?

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David89 said:
This is a vote for both, I dont understand why some people think both cant be reconciled. I think currently the science for evolution is large, yet I still believe God created Adam and Eve as the first fully human people with soul’s created instantaneously.
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I believe the evidence for creation is larger than evolution.
 
catholicm17 said:
I have been struggling with this too.

I voted evolution, i take Adam and Eve to be symbolism but i would hope the literal creation story to be true so it can strengthen my faith!
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Don’t be afraid of the truth…the more science explains the more miraculous the work of God.
 
Today I went to confession again. I went to another church and different confession priest. I’ve talked to both confession priests about the issue(both priests have been priests for about 50 years or more). Both believe in Evolution and that man evolved over time. The priest today told me that you don’t have to take everything in the Bible too literally.
I was surprised how much knowledge my priest today had about evolution.
 
Lui said:
Today I went to confession again. I went to another church and different confession priest. I’ve talked to both confession priests about the issue(both priests have been priests for about 50 years or more). Both believe in Evolution and that man evolved over time. The priest today told me that you don’t have to take everything in the Bible too literally.
I was surprised how much knowledge my priest today had about evolution.
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I would be careful with using terms like “man evolved”…
Man did not evolve in the scientific sense. If you consider that humans as we are only began 200.000 years ago there was no “evolution” per se during the last 200.000, only behaviour modifications. That would be like saying that aborigines are a different evolution.
For as long as man has been man there was never an evolution. There was an evolution from hominids to human but that’s another thing altogether.
 
dskysmine said:
I would be careful with using terms like “man evolved”…
Man did not evolve in the scientific sense. If you consider that humans as we are only began 200.000 years ago there was no “evolution” per se during the last 200.000, only behaviour modifications. That would be like saying that aborigines are a different evolution.
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We probably mean the same thing. What I meant is that modern humans(Homo sapiens sapiens) evolved from other Homo sapien species who evolved from other Homo species who evolved from Hominidae who evolved from primates> mammals>reptile>fish…who all evolved from the first living organisms about 4 billion years ago.
dskysmine said:
For as long as man has been man there was never an evolution. There was an evolution from hominids to human but that’s another thing altogether.
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I agree, modern man(Homo sapiens sapiens) has not evolved since he is modern man but I was talking about the evolution of modern man from hominids. Humans evolved from hominids etc is what I meant.
 
Mark_David said:
Adam and Eve, of course. It’s Biblical; it’s what the Catholic teaching of Original Sin stands on; and fallible science is not a higher authority than God. Besides, who would want to believe in a theory that insists that our ancestors were smelly monkeys?
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Thank you, fellow Melburnian 🙂
 
The real question is: do you believe Genesis 1.1 or not? Did God create the heaven and the earth or not? Evolution is a red herring. It has been presented in secular society as an alternative to Genesis 1.1.

I have to say that I’m surprised that 36% of respondants in a Catholic forum have voted for evolution. Evolution is a theory, and there are any of a number of good arguments against it (The latest I heard was by Dinesh D’Souza). However, most people regard it as fact, because it’s been rammed down our throats by academia and the media. If you haven’t seen it yet, check out Ben Stein’s movie “Expelled”.

The question of creation vs evolution is as clearly drawn as the question “Who do you say the Son of Man is”? Either you are for Him, or against Him. I thought we were the people for Him…
 
Jesus quoted the Old Testament. And the New Testament is to be taken literally regarding the works Jesus did. I think a God that can raise the dead, give sight to the blind, and cleanse lepers instantly, without technology, is God as we should know Him, and He gave His disciples power to do such things.

I think science has overstepped its self-imposed boundaries a little too often. I am now skeptical and I think everyone should reexamine what they believe and why.

Where did Original Sin come from. Why was Jesus sent by the Father?

Peace,
Ed
 
Lui said:
Today I went to confession again. I went to another church and different confession priest. I’ve talked to both confession priests about the issue(both priests have been priests for about 50 years or more). Both believe in Evolution and that man evolved over time. The priest today told me that you don’t have to take everything in the Bible too literally.
I was surprised how much knowledge my priest today had about evolution.
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Ask him what he knows about IDvolution.
 
Lui said:
Today I went to confession again. I went to another church and different confession priest. I’ve talked to both confession priests about the issue(both priests have been priests for about 50 years or more). Both believe in Evolution and that man evolved over time. The priest today told me that you don’t have to take everything in the Bible too literally.
I was surprised how much knowledge my priest today had about evolution.
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That is truly shocking
 
Rahn said:
That is truly shocking
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Why is it shocking? To be honest, I rather trust the opinion of several Catholic priests that I talked to in a personal conversation than people I don’t know from the internet. What is your background in Theology?
 
dskysmine said:
The Dinosaurs of Acambro are considered a hoax…
Considering that Adam and Eve were real is not the same thing as believing that the Earth was created in 144 hours.
Please be careful with misleading information.

Believing in evolution does not mean we do not believe in the Bible, and you have no basis, other than the Bible, to assert that the Earth was created in 144 hours. I see nothing wrong in believing that Genesis is not a literal description of what happened, after all it depicts events that happened before there were even humans as if someone was there to report on what God was doing. >_>

God bless,
Daniel
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A day in the life of God is non-existent. God can do anything he pleases. Since God transcends time and space, the Genesis stories could be fact or fiction to describe something far more complex than man is capable of understanding, including something like, "snapping a finger and everything comes into existence … immediately. I’ve heard enough arguments on both side to say that both side have pretty good theories. However, my God created all of it. Now if your God is the same as my God, then He is the one I say created it. Evolution is irrelevant in the theological sense. Scientifically, God may have created it to appear as you perceive it. Peace in my family requires that I hold onto a theory relevant to them as well. Neither teaches false. If you say creation is false, then you deny God. It’s really that simple. Now when you get down to the details of that creation, nobody except God truly knows or ever will know. And that does not mean we don’t try to understand either. It’ simply means that some of us hold to the creation story and to make matters simple or relevant for us we accept the God of the bible as the Church allows us to believe.

Sorry if you don’t understand or accept my point of view or choice. But that is what I’m allowed to believe within salvation history. i realize that this is a fruitless thread, so I’ll back away from it and simply unsubscribe.
 
Lui said:
Why is it shocking? To be honest, I rather trust the opinion of several Catholic priests that I talked to in a personal conversation than people I don’t know from the internet. What is your background in Theology?
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Sorry, I didn’t mean it was shocking that you went to confesssion 😊

What I found *surprising *(sorry, shocking was probably too strong a term) was that two older priests have such views on evolution. As I mentioned in another post, evolution is offered as an alternative to creation, so, when viewed in that way, a priest saying that he believes in evolution equates to me to saying that he *doesn’t *believe in creation.

I’m sorry if I’ve offended, I have no insight into theology other than what I know from my faith and opinion. But, evolution is not solely a theological issue, it’s a secular scientific theory.
 
Rahn said:
Sorry, I didn’t mean it was shocking that you went to confesssion 😊

What I found *surprising *(sorry, shocking was probably too strong a term) was that two older priests have such views on evolution. As I mentioned in another post, evolution is offered as an alternative to creation, so, when viewed in that way, a priest saying that he believes in evolution equates to me to saying that he *doesn’t *believe in creation.

I’m sorry if I’ve offended, I have no insight into theology other than what I know from my faith and opinion. But, evolution is not solely a theological issue, it’s a secular scientific theory.
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No, I understood what you meant.
I and many others in this thread don’t think that evolution is against God just like those two priests who have more knowledge on Theology than many people here. I ask you WHY you find their views shocking. They have been priests for more than fifty years and studied Theology. What are your credentials? I trust their opinion more than I trust Christian fundamentalists who think the Earth is 6000 years old.
To say whoever believes in evolution does not believe in God is insulting.

As far as I know the Vatican and the Pope accepts evolution as a proven fact:
Vatican Official Defends Evolution Against ‘Useless’ Creationism:
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,424942,00.html
 
Rahn said:
The real question is: do you believe Genesis 1.1 or not? Did God create the heaven and the earth or not? Evolution is a red herring. It has been presented in secular society as an alternative to Genesis 1.1.

I have to say that I’m surprised that 36% of respondants in a Catholic forum have voted for evolution. Evolution is a theory, and there are any of a number of good arguments against it (The latest I heard was by Dinesh D’Souza). However, most people regard it as fact, because it’s been rammed down our throats by academia and the media. If you haven’t seen it yet, check out Ben Stein’s movie “Expelled”.

The question of creation vs evolution is as clearly drawn as the question “Who do you say the Son of Man is”? Either you are for Him, or against Him. I thought we were the people for Him…
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From what I could see from D’Souza he doesn’t seem against evolution, just against the conclusion that evolution is opposed to Creationism.
Can you please provide more information?

God Bless,
Daniel
 
Jack_Bauer said:
A day in the life of God is non-existent. God can do anything he pleases. Since God transcends time and space, the Genesis stories could be fact or fiction to describe something far more complex than man is capable of understanding, including something like, "snapping a finger and everything comes into existence … immediately. I’ve heard enough arguments on both side to say that both side have pretty good theories. However, my God created all of it. Now if your God is the same as my God, then He is the one I say created it. Evolution is irrelevant in the theological sense. Scientifically, God may have created it to appear as you perceive it. Peace in my family requires that I hold onto a theory relevant to them as well. Neither teaches false. If you say creation is false, then you deny God. It’s really that simple. Now when you get down to the details of that creation, nobody except God truly knows or ever will know. And that does not mean we don’t try to understand either. It’ simply means that some of us hold to the creation story and to make matters simple or relevant for us we accept the God of the bible as the Church allows us to believe.

Sorry if you don’t understand or accept my point of view or choice. But that is what I’m allowed to believe within salvation history. i realize that this is a fruitless thread, so I’ll back away from it and simply unsubscribe.
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I didn’t mean that Genesis was “false” I meant that it isn’t possible for one of us to say it happened just the way it is described (literally) because the literal understanding of it doesn’t make sense to us.
 
buffalo said:
Micro or Macro?
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"The terms macroevolution and microevolution relate to the same processes operating at different scales, but creationist claims misuse the terms in a vaguely defined way which does not accurately reflect scientific usage, acknowledging well observed evolution as “microevolution” and denying that “macroevolution” takes place.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution
 
Lui said:
"The terms macroevolution and microevolution relate to the same processes operating at different scales, but creationist claims misuse the terms in a vaguely defined way which does not accurately reflect scientific usage, acknowledging well observed evolution as “microevolution” and denying that “macroevolution” takes place.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution
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Not:nope: - micro is adaptation which no one disputes. Macro is above the species level and unproven.
 
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