Do you believe that the SSPX will eventually become officially canonically recognized?

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The SSPX almost came into an agreement with Rome in 2012. I’m not too sure if negotiations are still going on between the Society and Rome. Do you believe that the SSPX will eventually become officially canonically recognized?
 
The SSPX almost came into an agreement with Rome in 2012. I’m not too sure if negotiations are still going on between the Society and Rome. Do you believe that the SSPX will eventually become officially canonically recognized?
Of course they will! And I am convinced they would have already “returned” to the Church under Pope Benedict (whose birthday is today - say a prayer for him please) if Bishop Fellay thought he could have brought the SSPX back in one piece, which is to say without the SSPX splitting.
 
Of course they will! And I am convinced they would have already “returned” to the Church under Pope Benedict (whose birthday is today - say a prayer for him please) if Bishop Fellay thought he could have brought the SSPX back in one piece, which is to say without the SSPX splitting.
Unfortunately, there is a split-away group from the SSPX known as the Resistance. They ended up splitting away because of what happened in 2012 between the Society and Rome. Though the Resistance already has a division within itself. There are some in the Resistance who believe that it’s wrong to attend Mass at SSPX chapels and there are some who believe it’s still ok to attend Mass at SSPX chapels.
 
Unfortunately, there is a split-away group from the SSPX known as the Resistance. They ended up splitting away because of what happened in 2012 between the Society and Rome. Though the Resistance already has a division within itself. There are some in the Resistance who believe that it’s wrong to attend Mass at SSPX chapels and there are some who believe it’s still ok to attend Mass at SSPX chapels.
Yes. I am very aware of all of that.

Bishop Fellay should be happy they broke away.
 
This is what I don’t understand. from my understanding Vatican II made no new dogma. If this is the case, how could the SSPX be split with Rome over doctrine?
 
When they are ready to come back accepting all doctrines of the Holy Catholic Apostolic Church they know where to find us.
 
Rather lame on their part IMO. All they have to do is to read the Baltimore Catechism to see the continuity of teaching.

Seems like argumentum gratia argumenti (argument for the sake of argument). But we can’t presume all of them have this view.
 
It’s a complicated situation. I don’t think that the SSPX will reconcile until the ambiguous parts of the second Vatican Council are clarified. They addressed this in their negotiations with Rome, but to no avail. It might be good to remember that Archbishop Lefebvre was a Council Father, and if memory serves, he was appointed, with others, the task of putting together the initial guidelines or format for what would be addressed at the Council. But these guidelines were chucked, and a new direction was taken. The Archbishop was intimately involved with the Council proceedings. He was no stranger to them.

My hope is that the problematic parts of the Council documents will one day be addressed. Bishop Athanasius Schneider has stated also that these parts of the Council documents need to be clarified, in that they are ambiguous. In any case, I don’t think that the SSPX should consider reconciliation until after the synod in October.
 
Unfortunately, no. I think those that want reconciliation have already achieved it. I don’t think the leadership really wants to be reconciled. (For an example of why I say that, see post #7.)

It may be that the SSPX will end up like the groups that split off after other councils - the Old Catholics, for example. That is, a small but ongoing splinter faction drifting farther and farther from the Church. But it may be that the SSPX eventually withers away as the older original generation or two pass on, and the younger come back to the Church family by family. Either way, I don’t see a formal reconciliation. The moment for that came and, unfortunately, has now passed.
 
Ah, speculation. If only we could foresee what would happen. Good thing we can’t. 🙂
 
The answer lies in the question “What will they do the next time they ordain bishops?”

A. Ordain them without permission
B. Get permission

Answer A is just a continuation. Very easy to do.
Answer B requires obedience and probably regularization.

So I think A is by far most likely and that it will just put them farther down the path they are on.
 
It’s a complicated situation. I don’t think that the SSPX will reconcile until the ambiguous parts of the second Vatican Council are clarified. They addressed this in their negotiations with Rome, but to no avail. It might be good to remember that Archbishop Lefebvre was a Council Father, and if memory serves, he was appointed, with others, the task of putting together the initial guidelines or format for what would be addressed at the Council. But these guidelines were chucked, and a new direction was taken. The Archbishop was intimately involved with the Council proceedings. He was no stranger to them.

My hope is that the problematic parts of the Council documents will one day be addressed. Bishop Athanasius Schneider has stated also that these parts of the Council documents need to be clarified, in that they are ambiguous. In any case, I don’t think that the SSPX should consider reconciliation until after the synod in October.
Not only has Bishop Schneider spoken this, but many others as well. I believe your last comment very astute and I’m certain the SSPX, just as the rest of us, are waiting for the synod results since so much of it centers around sacramental theology. I pray frequently for unity.
 
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The SSPX almost came into an agreement with Rome in 2012. I’m not too sure if negotiations are still going on between the Society and Rome. Do you believe that the SSPX will eventually become officially canonically recognized?
ONLY if they accept Gods offer of grace and recant some of their foundational positions. And that at this point seems very unlaikely:o

God Bless you,

Patrick
 
It’s a complicated situation. I don’t think that the SSPX will reconcile until the ambiguous parts of the second Vatican Council are clarified. They addressed this in their negotiations with Rome, but to no avail. It might be good to remember that Archbishop Lefebvre was a Council Father, and if memory serves, he was appointed, with others, the task of putting together the initial guidelines or format for what would be addressed at the Council. But these guidelines were chucked, and a new direction was taken. The Archbishop was intimately involved with the Council proceedings. He was no stranger to them.

My hope is that the problematic parts of the Council documents will one day be addressed. Bishop Athanasius Schneider has stated also that these parts of the Council documents need to be clarified, in that they are ambiguous. In any case, I don’t think that the SSPX should consider reconciliation until after the synod in October.
Vatican II has been getting “clarified” for 50 years. That will continue, for years to come. There have been many synods in recent years, some of which addressed issues the SSPX has prioritized. Those synods have brought about some conclusions, but those synods still are being “clarified”. There is no evidence the synod in October will be more informative than earlier synods as to what path the SSPX should take. It, too, will be clarified over coming years.

After the October synod, I’m sure the SSPX leaders will point to some other process going on in 2016, “some negotiations that show some progress, but not enough; in 2016 they will be pointing to some milestone in 2017, some decision point, that will definitively show which direction they should go; so hold the line until then…and then a new pope on the horizon, let’s not make any hasty moves…and so on…We may see things clearer in just 12 months”, (which means 2021), etc etc. beyond 2025. But they don’t tell people now it may take well beyond 2025, just one year at a time.

What’s happening is that years are going by, people are living outside the fullness of the Church. Children are being raised, outside the fullness of the Church. Priests are ministering without any real bishop-ordinary or support of diocesan ministries and very, very few other priests in their area. The real St Pius X strongly urged unified, regional Catholic Action at the diocesan and national level, all of which SSPX is apart from (thinking of prolife and religious liberty). What would the real St. Pius X, proponent of Catholic Action, say about that? Years are passing in the lives of families and communities.

It is uncharitable to keep people on edge, with one-more-year, one-more-year. I think the SSPX leaders would lose most of their support if they ever announced the Catholic Church will never change enough to satisfy them; they would also lose their positions if they simply told clergy and people to join the regular Catholic Church. So they keep setting new goals “in just a year or two” or “things are getting clearer, just a little more time” and especially, “Let’s not be hasty!”.
 
The SSPX almost came into an agreement with Rome in 2012. I’m not too sure if negotiations are still going on between the Society and Rome. Do you believe that the SSPX will eventually become officially canonically recognized?
It’s up to the SSPX. The Holy See has graciously extended itself to meet SSPX’s demands, but SSPX continues its proud and obstinate refusal to bend.

Meanwhile plenty of new and FAITHFUL traditionalist groups and associations are forming with Rome’s blessing. These newly formed groups are the future of the traditionalist movement. SSPX has arrived at a fork in the road. Either it retracts its obstinate pride and returns to the fold or it can continue to isolate and eventually fade into obscurity and extinction, only to become a footnote in Church history. Nothing more.

It’s a shame that some of the most ardent and devout Catholics succumb to the SSPX siren song or the even whackier sedvacantists. But this is how the enemy attacks the faithful. The enemy cannot tempt ardent and devout Catholics with his usual fare of carnal excess or trendy lefty theological dissent; instead, the enemy cloaks temptations to grievous sins in the garb of extreme and “authentic” piety. It’s insidious. It must be refuted.
 
It’s up to the SSPX. The Holy See has graciously extended itself to meet SSPX’s demands, but SSPX continues its proud and obstinate refusal to bend.

Meanwhile plenty of new and FAITHFUL traditionalist groups and associations are forming with Rome’s blessing. These newly formed groups are the future of the traditionalist movement. SSPX has arrived at a fork in the road. Either it retracts its obstinate pride and returns to the fold or it can continue to isolate and eventually fade into obscurity and extinction, only to become a footnote in Church history. Nothing more.

It’s a shame that some of the most ardent and devout Catholics succumb to the SSPX siren song or the even whackier sedvacantists. But this is how the enemy attacks the faithful. The enemy cannot tempt ardent and devout Catholics with his usual fare of carnal excess or trendy lefty theological dissent; instead, the enemy cloaks temptations to grievous sins in the garb of extreme and “authentic” piety. It’s insidious. It must be refuted.
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