Do you believe there is one true church?

[jmcrae]

I once asked a “born again” Christian where he got his bible and he answered, " Barnes and Noble". There’s the extent of Church history.

Please don’t educate us on what it is that we need to learn when everything you have came from us. Thank you very much.

Succinctly put, Sir. Thank you.

 

[WyomingBob]

RNRRobert, you are right. I was a bit upset when I wrote that post. But this is not an excuse. I apologise to all that are in full comminion with Rome for my thoughtlessness.
And yet if they are in full communion with Rome and thereby accept the place of Saint Peter’s successor as the first among equals ( I am not saying that just right so I hope you all get my meaning) does this not make them in an existenial sense also part of the one true church?
Again thanks for the correction and reminder RNRobert

 

[guanophore]

Do you actually think it’s just a mental “ascent” that Jesus is Lord? If you think that then you don’t understand what faith is. Yes, demons believe but they don’t have faith in Jesus either. They don’t love God with all their hearts.

I heard the Word and I believe God.

Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

My faith is now in the hope (the earnest expectation) of eternal life in Jesus Christ. I have complete faith in Jesus Christ and what He has done on the cross. I believe there’s nothing I can do to add to His work.

Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Hbr 10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

I accept this free gift by faith.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Hbr 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

As a faithful and obedient follower, I love, I preach the Gospel, I help the needy, I study the Word of God, this is not exhaustive but you get the picture.

This is off topic. I am going to respond to this post in another thread, where this topic is currently under discussion.

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[Traveller1534]

I believe that the Catholic church has used unspeakable arrogance for centuries to convince folks that their’s is the one true church. They are no better that the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the L.D.S. Jesus didn’t preach one and only one true church, this is an infamous misconception of scripture that your magisterium has used to keep the meal ticket working for all these centuries. Look at your popes and the Vatican. The popes are carried into and out of the mass and the Vatican is just grossly crawling with riches upon unfathomable wealth. Peter on the otherhand was a poor fisherman. He never even claimed to be infallible and in fact claimed just the opposite. Peter wasn’t even all that smart. And in fact he was the bishop of Jerusalem much longer than he was ever the bishop of Rome. In fact, it was in Rome where Peter was crucified upside down. Absolutely no connection to who the early church’s leader was then and whom he SUPPOSEDLY is today. The Catholic church is NOT the one and only church of Christ.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

I believe that the Catholic church has used unspeakable arrogance for centuries to convince folks that their’s is the one true church. They are no better that the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the L.D.S. Jesus didn’t preach one and only one true church, this is an infamous misconception of scripture that your magisterium has used to keep the meal ticket working for all these centuries. Look at your popes and the Vatican. The popes are carried into and out of the mass and the Vatican is just grossly crawling with riches upon unfathomable wealth…

More grossly decorated or better treated than the supreme Governor of the Church of England? (ERII)?

Did the communion to which you now belong suppress the hierachy of the Catholic Church for over 300 years?

There you go again. Sharpen that ax, lad, sharpen that ax… sigh.

 

[Traveller1534]

Governor of the Church of England?? hmmm. The Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams you mean. He is not infallible nor an authoritarian figure in our denomination as the bishop of Rome is for you. No ax here, just common knowledge of my faith.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Governor of the Church of England?? hmmm. The Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams you mean. He is not infallible nor an authoritarian figure in our denomination as the bishop of Rome is for you. No ax here, just common knowledge of my faith.

Keep boning up on your newfound faith.

The head of the CofE - the supreme governor of the church - is Elizabeth II.

 

[Traveller1534]

The Archbishop of Canterbury is the head of the Anglican Communion. The church of England which you are refering to in such a way is the state religion of England so in a governmental fashion you are correct but insomuchas the Anglican church worldwide, we have no authoritarian figure.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

The Archbishop of Canterbury is the head of the Anglican Communion. The church of England which you are refering to in such a way is the state religion of England so in a governmental fashion you are correct but insomuchas the Anglican church worldwide, we have no authoritarian figure.

More accurately I would be agreed that there is no authority figure.

But that as the case may be when you say:

I believe that the Catholic church has used unspeakable arrogance for centuries to convince folks that their’s is the one true church. They are no better that the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the L.D.S… Look at your popes and the Vatican. The popes are carried into and out of the mass and the Vatican is just grossly crawling with riches upon unfathomable wealth.

I turn around and again I ask you - are you equally disgusted with the wealth and pomp of the Supreme Governor of the Church of England? The same ecclesial communities 300 year suppression of the Catholic hiearchy in the UK?

 

[Chancellare]

I believe that the Catholic church has used unspeakable arrogance for centuries to convince folks that their’s is the one true church. They are no better that the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the L.D.S. Jesus didn’t preach one and only one true church, this is an infamous misconception of scripture that your magisterium has used to keep the meal ticket working for all these centuries. Look at your popes and the Vatican. The popes are carried into and out of the mass and the Vatican is just grossly crawling with riches upon unfathomable wealth. Peter on the otherhand was a poor fisherman. He never even claimed to be infallible and in fact claimed just the opposite. Peter wasn’t even all that smart. And in fact he was the bishop of Jerusalem much longer than he was ever the bishop of Rome. In fact, it was in Rome where Peter was crucified upside down. Absolutely no connection to who the early church’s leader was then and whom he SUPPOSEDLY is today. The Catholic church is NOT the one and only church of Christ.

Are you sure about that? Where is that in the Bible?

In all Bible verses we know, Christ founded only one church.

 

[Traveller1534]

What you are referring to as suppression of the Catholic church in England could be construed as to how the Catholic church treats Protestant faiths here in America. The difference is that there is no separation of church and state in England as there is here in America. You simply cannot compare the role of religions in parallel with both countries.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

What you are referring to as suppression of the Catholic church in England could be construed as to how the Catholic church treats Protestant faiths here in America. The difference is that there is no separation of church and state in England as there is here in America. You simply cannot compare the role of religions in parallel with both countries.

That is a misuese of the word “construed”.

What I said can only be construed as what I said - namely: Having declared your disgust with Papal practice and Vatican wealth are you equally disgusted with the wealth and pomp of the Supreme Governor of the Church of England? The same ecclesial communities 300 year suppression of the Catholic hiearchy in the UK?

The Catholic Church - always a minority party in the US - has never had the political strength or popular support to ever attempt any sort of suppression of Protestants in the US. So I am utterly confused and left scratching my head when you make the outlandish claim:

What you are referring to as suppression of the Catholic church in England could be construed as to how the Catholic church treats Protestant faiths here in America.

You simply cannot compare the role of religions in parallel with both countries.

I am not trying to compare. Frankly I don’t see much of a comparison at all.

 

[Traveller1534]

The vast difference in the roles religion plays in the UK and the USA plainly exists and I am quite sure that you are aware of those differences in power. The Roman Catholic church is not a minority party in the United States. We Epsicopalians are a minority party here as there are more Muslims in this country than Episcopalians.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

The vast difference in the roles religion plays in the UK and the USA plainly exists and I am quite sure that you are aware of those differences in power. The Roman Catholic church is not a minority party in the United States. We Epsicopalians are a minority party here as there are more Muslims in this country than Episcopalians.

Yes, we Catholics are a minority party - with at best some 40% of the population. At the time of the Revolution we were 1% of what initially became the United States.

Are we bigger than TEC? Yes. Are we a majority - no, and never have been.

So I ask again, when you offer:

What you are referring to as suppression of the Catholic church in England could be construed as to how the Catholic church treats Protestant faiths here in America.

How has the Catholic minority suppressed the (albeint un-unified) Protestant majority in the US?

 

[Traveller1534]

I never said suppressed I simply said the way Catholics treat Protestants. And again, you are not a minority so please don’t play the victim role here. There are more Catholics in this country than any other denomination. I realize that we do the math differently because I will not lump all Protestants together as most Catholics would and the reason is because there are huge differences in belief and doctrine among a variety of so called Protestant denominations.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

I never said suppressed I simply said the way Catholics treat Protestants. And again, you are not a minority so please don’t play the victim role here. There are more Catholics in this country than any other denomination. I realize that we do the math differently because I will not lump all Protestants together as most Catholics would and the reason is because there are huge differences in belief and doctrine among a variety of so called Protestant denominations.

Play the victim role? Do you know our history in the US?

Being the largest of a divided plurality does NOT make one a majority.

And in finding common cause, American Protestants generally shared - at the very least - a tacit understanding of the wrongs of “Romanism”. Please learn a little of the history of the Catholic Church in the US - always a minority party, and frequently the target of discrimination (look up “Know Nothing Party” Read about the Kennedy campaign.)

Look up the sad case of Fr. James Coyle

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For a third time I ask: How has the Catholic minority suppressed the (albeit un-unified) Protestant majority in the US?

 

[Chancellare]

I never said suppressed I simply said the way Catholics treat Protestants. And again, you are not a minority so please don’t play the victim role here. There are more Catholics in this country than any other denomination. I realize that we do the math differently because I will not lump all Protestants together as most Catholics would and the reason is because there are huge differences in belief and doctrine among a variety of so called Protestant denominations.

Please stick to facts:

The table below was published on page 49 of the Pew report at pewforum.org/publications/reports/poll2002.pdf:

Survey Response %, 2002
Protestant 52
Catholic 24
Mormon
(Latter-day Saints) 2
Orthodox *
Non-denominational 0
Something else (Specify) 2
Not practicing any religion 0
Don’t know/Refused 2
TOTAL CHRISTIAN 82%

 

[Traveller1534]

This goes right to what I am saying. You cannot just lump all Protestants together so that you can call the Catholic church a minority in the US. Case and point, would you ever see a Baptist minister preach in a Methodist church?? Obviously the answer is no. And for the second time, I did not say suppress I said the way in which Catholics TREAT Protestants. Vast difference and you know it!

 

[ASimpleSinner]

This goes right to what I am saying. You cannot just lump all Protestants together so that you can call the Catholic church a minority in the US. Case and point, would you ever see a Baptist minister preach in a Methodist church?? Obviously the answer is no. And for the second time, I did not say suppress I said the way in which Catholics TREAT Protestants. Vast difference and you know it!

BUT IT IS A MINORITY! We may be the largest, but we were never 51% (a majority) of the population in general (just a quarter of the population) or a mahority in people who self-identify as Christians. (at best 1/3d)

Further do study on Protestant churchmanship in US history. Baptist may not have taken to Methodist pulpits (althouh in the late 1800’s early 1900s, pulpit sharing did enjoy a zenith in popularity) Large and influential anti-Catholic movements are there to be seen.

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These were published in mainstream newspapers.

With little objection.

How has the minority Catholic Church in the US treated Protestants poorly in any way comparable to the suppression of the hierarchy and persecution of the CC by the C of E in past centuries?

 

[Contarini]

This goes right to what I am saying. You cannot just lump all Protestants together so that you can call the Catholic church a minority in the US. Case and point, would you ever see a Baptist minister preach in a Methodist church?? Obviously the answer is no.

Actually the answer is yes. You don’t appear to know much about Baptists or Methodists!

Edwin