Do you believe there is one true church?

[Andromeda_Organ]

The Catholic Church is the one, true religion because it emanated directly from Jesus, who charged St. Peter with the task of building it. He died doing so in ***ROME. ***Sorry. Catholicism is the ONLY true Christian religion. All others are heretical stepchildren.

Maybe I shouldn’t be here, then. I just can’t see myself being Catholic.

 

[happygal]

The Catholic Church is the one, true religion because it emanated directly from Jesus, who charged St. Peter with the task of building it. He died doing so in ***ROME. ***Sorry. Catholicism is the ONLY true Christian religion. All others are heretical stepchildren.

**Hi PauloFreire

My heart goes out for you, becoz you have judge the entire christianity community. Do know that judgement shall be upon you as well my dear brother in Christ.
God have mercy for you. **

 

[ASimpleSinner]

well I guess you are in a state of extreme or should I call it magisterial denial about the travesties that MANY priests in your church have caused. If the numbers are so many less than other churches, then show me who else has over a billion dollars in lawsuits pending for sexually abusing children???

Who else has the potential to pay that?

But I have made the point on this clear before - you opted to NOT respond to them, just move this **** to a new thread…

 

[rockyankeeswon]

This is so self righteous it makes me just about want to puke! I cannot for the life of me believe that Catholics can be so thick headed as to think that they are the only one and true church that Christ founded. Just because the name “Roman Catholic” has stood over the centuries certainly and positively doesn’t mean that the same beliefs and the same practices by the same ordained ministry by succession takes place even today. This is a total misconception of truth. The Catholic church has changed its position and changed its practices on many counts over the years. This total misrepresentation to the parishioners and the lies and deceitment is precisely why I left the Catholic church 4 years ago!

The catholic church has always taught that you had to be a member of " The church" to be saved “outside the church there is
no salvation”. I believe that there is no credible evidence that another Christian church community other than the catholic
church existed prior to the 11th century when the eastern catholic church separated itself from Roman authority. Even after
some 1000 yrs of separation the Orthodox church still maintains a valid priesthood and the seven sacraments of the original
church. Now it was always taught and believed that to become a member of the church all you had to do was to believe and be
baptized. Today most protestant denominations qualify under this rule of thumb,but in a lesser state of communion with “the
church”. Now truth is truth and it is believed that we will all be held accountable to that level of truth or grace that has been
given to us to form our consciences. If one acts on that truth and never rejects truth as the spirit reveals it and ones
conscience comes to know and understands it, one may still be saved even though one never became a card carrying member of
the Roman Catholic Church. This is possible because an infinitely just god can not expect all people to come to know him and
love him in just one small specific way. He being a loving and wise father can request that we do so in some specific or ordinary
way. But, many through no fault of their own will remain invincibly ignorant to the whole deposit of objective truth as Jesus
revealed it to his apostles. To try to find out what that deposit of truth was that Jesus gave to his apostles and was passed
down through the generations in the Christian family is not all that clear in the Bible and further investigation into the early
church families faith and practice is certainly something that should be investigated further. The covenant promise that was
given to Abraham and his decendant…who is Jesus can only be realized if the Covenant blessing gets passed down through the
centuries from father to son and eventually ends with Jesus in an unbroken line of family heritage. In like manner Jesus set up
his church with it’s deposit of faith truth and made sure that it would be faithfully passed on in the new family church through
an unbroken line of apostolic successors called Bishops who were commissioned to preach and protect that faith deposit into all
future generations. Todays reformation church has established a new Christianity based on many false presumptions that were
never known or practiced in the church for more than 1500 yrs. Having dispensed with the priesthood and sacraments it no
longer has any continuity with the original apostolic church and it’s deposit of faith. Which Christianity has a valid title deed in
history back to the apostles? Post reformation or “THE CHURCH” ?

 

[happygal]

Right… And Protestants ARE part of the Catholic Church, whether they realize it or not…

As a protestant, i would agree with you. But contradict to it, it is also the CC who deny protestant as heresy…haha…where is the logic…everything is all Catholic say:shrug:

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Traveller1534:

The Catholic church has changed its position and changed its practices on many counts over the years.

On Magisterial teaching? Do you know the answer to my question on Magisterial teaching or is this going to be another question you decline to answer?

I am assuming that you have conceded your points on all the questions which you have declined to answer. That assumption is based on the premise that, had you had anything substantive to add then you would have added it. You did not add anything. Therefore you had nothing substantive to add. Therefore you concede the point.

By the way, do you know what the topic of this thread is?

It seems to me that you have used this thread as a jumping off point to go off topic whenever it suits you – as opposed to whenever it suits the discussion – and have gone down a staggeringly long list of strawmen accusations against the Church all of which have been posted with virtually no reference to any evidence whatsoever.

Waddupwidat and where do you get this stuff from? If you have the energy to read such far out mythology, then why do you not have the energy to do some serious – and fair – investigation? Where are your priorities?

Moreover why on earth do you expect us to go on rabbit chases for you so that you can have links to articles and teachings which you can then decline to address? Waddupwidat? What do you hope to gain by this behaviour?

Traveller1534:

This total misrepresentation to the parishioners and the lies and deceitment is precisely why I left the Catholic church 4 years ago!

And your church has no lies and deceit? Or did you like the style of lies and deceit in your church better? What – no flies on you guys?

As for the sex abuse statistics:

Since you made the allegation – one of many – you should have been the one to provide evidence. Why did you not provide evidence?

:tsktsk:

Catholic clergy: less than 1.5 % Actually more like 0.5%
Protestant clergy: 38.6 %
Rabbis: roughly 38.6%
Jehovahs Witnesses: 5000 members reported sex abuse
Teachers: 17.7 percent of males who graduated from high school, and 82.2 percent of females, reported sexual harassment by faculty or staff during their years in school.

The issue of child sexual molestation is deserving of serious scholarship. Too often, assumptions have been made that this problem is worse in the Catholic clergy than in other sectors of society. This report does not support this conclusion. Indeed, it shows that family members are the most likely to sexually molest a child.

May we now return to the topic of the thread please?

 

[Ani_Ibi]

As a protestant, i would agree with you. But contradict to it, it is also the CC who deny protestant as heresy…haha…where is the logic…everything is all Catholic say:shrug:

Luther was a heretic. The Church recognizes baptisms performed in Protestant churches as valid.

The truth is out there. So is the logic. Stay tuned to CA and you will find both the logic and the truth. In abundance.

 

[happygal]

Luther was a heretic. The Church recognizes baptisms performed in Protestant churches as valid.

The truth is out there. So is the logic. Stay tuned to CA and you will find both the logic and the truth. In abundance.

You don’t seem to understand what i am saying. you mentioned we are part of a separate entity of CC, but a group of heretic practisioner…but on the another hand, oh CC feel that baptism from protestant is not heretic, so approval of acceptance…come on lol!!! anything can pick and pack huh?? the church is just like the body of Christ, who shall pick and choose ?? me or you, your church or my church?? the funny thing is, here pple are picking , the church is picking…not God, he have not even utter a single word who he wanted to pick, and yet we already choose for ourselve…

 

[Ani_Ibi]

happygal:

You don’t seem to understand what i am saying.

What are you saying?

happygal:

you mentioned we are part of a separate entity of CC, but a group of heretic practisioner.

Luther was a heretic. Are you suggesting that he was not? If so, please start another thread.

happygal:

but on the another hand, oh CC feel that baptism from protestant is not heretic, so approval of acceptance.

You would have to read the Church teaching on this. It is very clear and very beautiful. JP2 had quite a lot to say on this. Frankly you should have read it before posting your opinion – whatever your opinion is.

No I am not going to go on a rabbit chase for you by posting the relevant links. If you have an opinion then back it up with evidence; back it up with your own links. That’s how it works. Otherwise you concede the point.

happygal:

…come on lol!!! anything can pick and pack huh??

http://www3.sdstate.edu/ClassLibrary/Page/Images/Data/2964.jpg
http://www.appliancist.com/electric-tea-kettle-philips-cubic-design.jpg

You might want to consider packing a pot and a kettle.
:tiphat:

the church is just like the body of Christ, who shall pick and choose ??

Whoever feels they have the authority to pick and choose, presumably. And who might that be? You tell me.

me or you, your church or my church??

What are you talking about exactly?

the funny thing is, here pple are picking , the church is picking…not God, he have not even utter a single word who he wanted to pick, and yet we already choose for ourselve…

What have you chosen? And why?

As for what God picks, he has made it clear how we are to be guided. We are to be guided by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church which in turn is guided by the Holy Spirit.

I pick following this guidance. As for whether God picks me: pick me for what? To do what? To go where? To be what? To say what? Can you specify please?

Generally speaking I can just do my best to learn what He wants of me. That is what I am doing. Through the Catholic Church, the Sacraments, prayer, observation, reason, faith; through taking up my cross and following the Son of God.

 

[jmcrae]

You don’t seem to understand what i am saying. you mentioned we are part of a separate entity of CC, but a group of heretic practisioner…but on the another hand, oh CC feel that baptism from protestant is not heretic, so approval of acceptance…come on lol!!!

Because of the fact that anyone can baptize, including an atheist, unbeliever, pagan, or heretic, as long as it’s in or with water, and in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, then it’s a valid baptism.

From that point on the person is a Christian and is bound by the laws of the New Covenant to go to Mass, receive the rest of the Initiation Sacraments when he or she is of the right age and has been duly prepared for them, and to go to Confession at least once a year, and so forth and so on - but instead of doing that, they instantly join with a heretical and/or schismatic group and follow the teachings of that group.

So, yes, they are validly baptized, but since they don’t then start doing their Christian duties but instead they do other things, then yes, they are separated from the body of the Church, and, if they participate in heresies, then yes, they are heretics.

 

[Michael_Howard]

Maybe I shouldn’t be here, then. I just can’t see myself being Catholic.

I think we need to be a bit more charitable in the way we treat each other here myself included. I would suggest this, you mention you cannot see yourself being Catholic, introspect honestly on what you are saying by that. As many of us here who’ve converted, what we thought was the Catholic church was not what we found, my study lasted me almost five years leaving no rock unturned.

If you have honestly done your homework and studied the real writings of the Church, not the fake anti-Catholic literature floating around the web or in christian book strores, but authentic works of the church and the early church fathers and still find you cannot accept it than you have to go your way.

What I find much of the time is alot of intellectual dishonesty out there and that’s sad to me, that people who profess to believe in Jesus could be that deceptive. Dave Hunt and James White are two examples and it’s because of their lack of integrity and overall dishonesty that I was finally able to let go completely of evangelicalism. Dave Hunts debate with Gerry Matatics is awesome, Gerry blows him away and this is a tape that Dave Hunt sells and propigates! I would highly recomend it. Anyhow, ask yourself why you are here and what you expect from your time here and the folks you dialouge with.

God bless,

 

[StMarkEofE]

Yes!

 

[contramundum7]

Non-Catholics say they don’t believe in Purgatory. Well, they should, because that’s where they’re going, for not belonging to God’s true church. Sorry. Don’t blow up my car, please.

:clapping:

A little blunt, but hey - sometimes we busy Americans don’t have time for “eloquence”…

 

[contramundum7]

I think we need to be a bit more charitable in the way we treat each other here myself included. I would suggest this, you mention you cannot see yourself being Catholic, introspect honestly on what you are saying by that. As many of us here who’ve converted, what we thought was the Catholic church was not what we found, my study lasted me almost five years leaving no rock unturned.

If you have honestly done your homework and studied the real writings of the Church, not the fake anti-Catholic literature floating around the web or in christian book strores, but authentic works of the church and the early church fathers and still find you cannot accept it than you have to go your way.

What I find much of the time is alot of intellectual dishonesty out there and that’s sad to me, that people who profess to believe in Jesus could be that deceptive. Dave Hunt and James White are two examples and it’s because of their lack of integrity and overall dishonesty that I was finally able to let go completely of evangelicalism. Dave Hunts debate with Gerry Matatics is awesome, Gerry blows him away and this is a tape that Dave Hunt sells and propigates! I would highly recomend it. Anyhow, ask yourself why you are here and what you expect from your time here and the folks you dialouge with.

God bless,

Well said. And where can i get a copy of that tape?

“Intellectual dishonesty”… That is a very good term for what has been going on in a lot of these forums…

The opposite would be, i think, “intellectual integrity”.

 

[Efrain]

**Hi There

No worry i don’t feel the insult at all, coz there is no reason for me to feel this way, but what i’m trying to tell you is to be alittle more careful falling into a trap of judging any although that wasn’t your intention.

God Bless **

Hello Happygal,

I glad you understand that I wasn’t judging blindly, or even judging non-Catholics at all for that matter. I was making a valid statement that needed clarifying about the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist in non-Catholic churches. I feel I have done sufficient research on this doctrine and I wouldn’t come on this thread posting and bearing false witness.

God bless you

 

[ASimpleSinner]

As a protestant, i would agree with you. But contradict to it, it is also the CC who deny protestant as heresy…haha…where is the logic…everything is all Catholic say:shrug:

Where is the logic?

The logic is simple - to say all points of view are equally valid or that there is no heresy is something the Church cannot and will not do.

That they are brothers? Certainly, baptism and faith in Jesus Christ make it so. That the points of view held by various and sundry Protestant parties - of which there are many - can be embraced as equally true? One would have to be schezophrenic to hold all teachings as true.

There is truth in all its fullness, and than there are those that share in some or much of it, but are seriously wrong on other issues.

Don’t over simplify - it appears either facetious or disingenous.

 

[shadow_fire]

Please do not read without an open mind I’m going to say this as respectfully as I can.

Jesus was either fictional or he suffered megalomania not unlike Louis Riel.

I believe God however wished we could form our own theories and assumptions instead of conforming to Religions that have induced quite too much blood shed.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Please do not read without an open mind I’m going to say this as respectfully as I can.

Jesus was either fictional or he suffered megalomania not unlike Louis Riel.

I believe God however wished we could form our own theories and assumptions instead of conforming to Religions that have induced quite too much blood shed.

Not half the bloodshed the militant atheiest of national socialism or communism and abortion. Not even close.

The schools, the hospitals, the charities… Look at what the Christian monasteries of the so called “Dark Ages” did for the west.

Chesterton once said something to the effect: “When Jones worships the God within, jones starts worhshipping Jones.”

when you write:

I believe God however wished we could form our own theories and assumptions instead of conforming to Religions that have induced quite too much blood shed.

I am not trying to be facetious, pedantic or quarelsome about this, but do you think a loving God is intending the jurisdictional melee and confusion of Jehovah’s Witnesses (no blood transfusion, Christ was not God) Mormons (previously bigamous, Christ was not God) Snake handlers and cults - all of which are the free fruits of “forming our own theories” to be the standard for knowing Him?

 

[shadow_fire]

Do you know all the wars fought over religion? all of the homosexuals killed from religion induced hatred and bigotry?

And Catholicism is a persons ideas just like any of those religions you stated.

Its ridiculos how many people are dying over something we have as little factual knowledge of as we do imps or fairys.

And when I stated our own theories I meant our OWN not something were going to recruit people to and kill ourselves over

 

[usr88]

When you speak of Christ’s church as one church, I do not however believe that to be one denomination. The power and presence of God can be found in many churches not just one or even two. I do not believe that God looks upon any true believer in him as invalid for infractional reasons.

Jesus came to established a kingdom. So He is King, a king of one kingdom - the one and only true kingdom, the Catholic Church which has as her citizens the soull in Purgatary, the Saints in Heaven, the militants on Earth with Christ as King.