Do you belive other gods exist?

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Lokadottir said:
She doesn’t call you deluded for your faith. Why would you do it to her?
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Simply for the fact that she is and i am not, therefore if she were to call me deluded it would be a lie, i calling her that is the truth.
 
Lokadottir said:
She doesn’t call you deluded for your faith. Why would you do it to her?
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On a Catholic website someone says that our God is not true and you don’t think that is the same as saying someone is deluded.

I get it. We have to not lump you all together, we have to not preach to you and we have to allow you to say anythign you want unchallenged or we are mean.

Like I said play fair.

On this thread so far it is been said that
A. Christians are not loving
B. The Christian God is false
C. Not to generalize.
D. pagans don’t push beliefs on others.

So before you call foul, make sure you are playing by the same rules as well.
 
Kallisto said:
Why does any god need to compare to your god?
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You are the one framing the discussion in terms of “your god” and “our god.”

My point is that the God Christians worship is the One of whom the ancient philosophers spoke.

We may worship the One incorrectly. We may believe erroneous things about the way(s) in which the One has been made known to us. There are all kinds of grounds for disagreeing with our claim, including denial of the claim that there is a single metaphysical source of all being in the first place. But we have to describe the disagreement accurately.

I asked you philosophical questions about what you believe about “Zeus.” You declined to answer.

Aquinas’s definition of God draws on ancient pagan sources. It is not a parochially Christian definition, which is why he ends each argument with “and this all call God.” Now Aquinas was probably wrong that everyone agrees with this definition of God, but he was at least attempting to describe a concept of God that was accessible to anyone with a brain.

This is not “our god” versus “your god.” This is a philosophical question about whether there is a single source of all being. The religious question about how various objects of worship relate to that source follows. But it is incoherent to skip to language about “our god” versus “your god” when we haven’t first ascertained what each of us mean by “God” in the first place.

If you have an alternative philosophical approach to offer, please do so.

Edwin
 
Lokadottir said:
She doesn’t call you deluded for your faith. Why would you do it to her?
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But she kinda did.
We get that. Conversely you must understand that to us your “god” is not the sole or true one.
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She did not use the word “deluded” but logically it would have to follow that that is what she is saying.

Or are you willing to state Catholics believe the truth?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
But she kinda did.

She did not use the word “deluded” but logically it would have to follow that that is what she is saying.

Or are you willing to state Catholics believe the truth?
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OK the word “true” is potentially damning. As far as your god not being the SOLE god I agree and think this is not an affront to your beliefs.
 
Kallisto said:
Why does any god need to compare to your god? Again, your argument stems from expecting others to qualify things per your term. Your god and your religion are not another religion’s litmus test. Christian mythology does not apply to that of other religions.
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It isn’t, at least not for me, a question of mythologies, but rather a question of reality. If you insist that reality is just another word for mythology, then, although you are free to do so, you would thereby provide just cause for reasonable human beings to go on to other and more meaningful pursuits.

The omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God does explain, for example, the fine tuning of the laws of physics at the instant the physical universe came into existence at the Big Bang.

Zeus does not serve as an explanation for reality, but rather has been proposed as a mythological aspect abiding in reality. It could be true (though, again, the proof is non-existent) that Zeus does indeed abide in reality, but that does not preclude God creating all reality.

You might propose that Zeus has those same 3O characteristics normally ascribed to God, but that would seem incongruous and quite ad hoc of you to do so since those were never explicitly defined in mythology concerning Zeus, as they have been from the beginning of Christianity and Judaism before that.

We are speaking here of quite different “kinds” of gods, are we not? Pagans of every stripe propose superior beings, but that is not the kind of deity being proposed by monotheism. Even if pagan deities do exist in some spiritual realm or other, the question remains why would we need to honour, worship or even acknowledge their existence?

If God is the cause of all, the ordering principle of all and the final end of all, then the reason for paying him heed is to be found in our very existence as creatures made by God.
 
Does the Hellenistc faith have doctrine? Or is it just mysticism?

…I think that’s why there can’t be any dialogue here… There’s nothing to discuss. 😃
 
Lokadottir said:
OK the word “true” is potentially damning. As far as your god not being the SOLE god I agree and think this is not an affront to your beliefs.
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LOL of course it is no matter how “polite” you want to be. Our faith teaches us that there is One True God. It is the FIRST commandment and the entire premise of the faith. So you are “affonting” the beliefs. Just be honest about it. It is ok. You do not have to believe it but at least be honest enough to admit you think we are wrong!

I believe, as does my faith, that false gods are either nonexistent or demonic in origin.
That is not mean, uncharitable, or unfair to your point of view.

Why is the word true damning?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
LOL of course it is no matter how “polite” you want to be. Our faith teaches us that there is One True God. It is the FIRST commandment and the entire premise of the faith. So you are “affonting” the beliefs. Just be honest about it. It is ok. You do not have to believe it but at least be honest enough to admit you think we are wrong!

I believe, as does my faith, that false gods are either nonexistent or demonic in origin.
That is not mean, uncharitable, or unfair to your point of view.

Why is the word true damning?
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saying “you must understand that to us your “god” is not the sole or true one” this could be interpreted to mean your god is fake.
 
Lokadottir said:
saying “you must understand that to us your “god” is not the sole or true one” this could be interpreted to mean your god is fake.
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I cannot even begin to describe the stupidity of this statement :rolleyes:
 
Lokadottir said:
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I mean it’s just that saying that the Christian God is “fake” in your own words is rather ridiculous.

God exists and has created everything you would not be here otherwise - we have established that there is a God now pray to him and ask for help.
 
Ecclesiaticus_S said:
I mean it’s just that saying that the Christian God is “fake” in your own words is rather ridiculous.

God exists and has created everything you would not be here otherwise - we have established that there is a God now pray to him and ask for help.
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Help for what specifically?
 
Evolution does not explain how the universe came to be; only a distorted attempt of the foundation of mankind.

Something cannot just appear out of nothing.
 
TEPO said:
Does the Hellenistc faith have doctrine? Or is it just mysticism?

…I think that’s why there can’t be any dialogue here… There’s nothing to discuss. 😃
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Point taken.

I have posted several times in attempts to draw out something substantive in the way of pagan beliefs, but it seems the adherents of paganism on this thread would rather field trivial affronts from others whose comments, I view, as more polemic than engaging.

If there existed meaningful doctrine I would suppose it would have been presented by now.
 
Ecclesiaticus_S said:
I mean it’s just that saying that the Christian God is “fake” in your own words is rather ridiculous.

God exists and has created everything you would not be here otherwise - we have established that there is a God now pray to him and ask for help.
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I am familiar with this argument. I love Thomas Aquinas. However I find his argument for monotheism lacking. Why is an infinite being more plausible than an infinite universe. I’d no sooner approach any one philosophy as a definitive truth than I would a scientific theory.
 
Lokadottir said:
I am familiar with this argument. I love Thomas Aquinas. However I find his argument for monotheism lacking. Why is an infinite being more plausible than an infinite universe. I’d no sooner approach any one philosophy as a definitive truth than I would a scientific theory.
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Why would the universe be infinite? and how did it come to be?
 
Lokadottir said:
I am familiar with this argument. I love Thomas Aquinas. However I find his argument for monotheism lacking. Why is an infinite being more plausible than an infinite universe. I’d no sooner approach any one philosophy as a definitive truth than I would a scientific theory.
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An infinite being is plausible because the universe needs a first mover.

The universe cannot be infinite for obvious reasons of entropy and a few other things (which I am sure I need not explain) so there must be SOMETHING that started it. Something cannot come from nothing.
 
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