Do you belive other gods exist?

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Lokadottir said:
I’m not asking you do this, merely that you respect her right to do so because in her faith (and mine actually) it is in fact the right and proper thing to do.
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The poster made a point of emphasising (Capital G) therefore making it an issue. The Poster did not need to do that if they did not want to make it an issue they could have just typed “Gods”
Lets play fair.
And stay on topic which is not the religious influence of grammatical rules.
 
Kallisto said:
However, you cannot expect others to view and refer to any deity solely on Christian terms. Our Gods are not lesser than your god (which you refer to as “God”)
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Yes, they are. By definition. Perhaps “our God” doesn’t exist, or perhaps (more likely) He hasn’t actually revealed Himself in the particular ways we claim. But if He exists, He is by definition greater than everything else–indeed, nothing else exists in the same way that God exists. Nothing else is real by comparison to Him. This is not a debate about whose particular deity s greater. By making it such a debate, you are trying to force Christians to argue on your terms (just as some of my fellow Christians were illegitimately doing earlier).

Ancient Greco-Roman pagans would not find what I’m saying strange, I think. They all pretty much (at least by the time Christianity came along) seem to have believed in an ultimate divine Being who is above and beyond the gods.

Edwin
 
Ecclesiaticus_S said:
Haha actually none of what you said there came to a point so what was it all about?

You repeatedly stated what is in fact common knowledge and made little sense throughout it all… try again.
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Dang! Easy there. Considering the blanketing use of Neopagan and Wicca I think it was necessary.
 
When we speak of our Gods we are referring to the supreme deities of our religions. When I speak of Great God Zeus, that is as much an epithet and an English translation of the ancient “Zeus Soter” (Zeus The Savior).
 
Kallisto said:
You not comprehending is not the same as me not explaining. “Try again.”
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Your post was simply put and easy to comprehend, but simply never made sense as Hoosier Daddy put it;

“Different religions are… different.”
 
Contarini said:
Yes, they are. By definition. Perhaps “our God” doesn’t exist, or perhaps (more likely) He hasn’t actually revealed Himself in the particular ways we claim. But if He exists, He is by definition greater than everything else–indeed, nothing else exists in the same way that God exists. Nothing else is real by comparison to Him. This is not a debate about whose particular deity s greater. By making it such a debate, you are trying to force Christians to argue on your terms (just as some of my fellow Christians were illegitimately doing earlier).

Ancient Greco-Roman pagans would not find what I’m saying strange, I think. They all pretty much (at least by the time Christianity came along) seem to have believed in an ultimate divine Being who is above and beyond the gods.

Edwin
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By your religion’s definition he is greater. He is not “greater” per universal religious definitions. Your god is not greater than mine. Obviously YMMV.

“By making it such a debate, you are trying to force polytheists to argue on your terms (just as some of your fellow Christians were illegitimately doing earlier).”
 
Kallisto said:
When we speak of our Gods we are referring to the supreme deities of our religions. When I speak of Great God Zeus, that is as much an epithet and an English translation of the ancient “Zeus Soter” (Zeus The Savior).
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So in your view is Zeus the cause of everything that exists? Does Zeus correspond to what “all call God” according to Thomas Aquinas?

If so, then what of the other deities? Are they other names for the same reality, or are they lesser beings?

There is no problem, from a Christian point of view, acknowledging that the “Zeus” spoken of by Cleanthes in his famous Stoic hymn corresponds fairly well to what we call “God.”

Edwin
 
Ecclesiaticus_S said:
Your post was simply put and easy to comprehend, but simply never made sense as Hoosier Daddy put it;

“Different religions are… different.”
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Apparently the point of the post was missed: it’s not simply that they are different but why they are different. Knowing the why should, ideally, allow those not of those religions to understand more than what they think they do and have may have based their opinions on stereotype or incomplete information.
 
Kallisto said:
Apparently the point of the post was missed: it’s not simply that they are different but why they are different. Knowing the why should, ideally, allow those not of those religions to understand more than what they think they do and have may have based their opinions on stereotype or incomplete information.
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Oh kinda like people do to Christians.
 
Contarini said:
So in your view is Zeus the cause of everything that exists? Does Zeus correspond to what “all call God” according to Thomas Aquinas?

If so, then what of the other deities? Are they other names for the same reality, or are they lesser beings?

There is no problem, from a Christian point of view, acknowledging that the “Zeus” spoken of by Cleanthes in his famous Stoic hymn corresponds fairly well to what we call “God.”

Edwin
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Why does any god need to compare to your god? Again, your argument stems from expecting others to qualify things per your term. Your god and your religion are not another religion’s litmus test. Christian mythology does not apply to that of other religions.
 
Kallisto said:
Why does any god need to compare to your god? Again, your argument stems from expecting others to qualify things per your term. Your god and your religion are not another religion’s litmus test. Christian mythology does not apply to that of other religions.
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You must understand that to us there is no other “gods”.
 
Kallisto said:
Why does any god need to compare to your god? Again, your argument stems from expecting others to qualify things per your term. Your god and your religion are not another religion’s litmus test. Christian mythology does not apply to that of other religions.
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applause This is the issue in interfaith discussion that refuses to die.
 
Kallisto said:
When we speak of our Gods we are referring to the supreme deities of our religions…
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In which case you would not capitalize “gods,” but would capitalize Zeus because the word is a proper noun referencing one individual. We would capitalize Jupiter, for instance, when referring to bodies in the Solar System but not the word planets.

See my last post.
Kallisto said:
…When I speak of Great God Zeus, that is as much an epithet and an English translation of the ancient “Zeus Soter” (Zeus The Savior).
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The question remains, “Does Zeus exist?” I have honestly not seen anyone attempt to demonstrate that the proposition, “Zeus exists,” is true and can be demonstrated logically or scientifically.

That “God exists,” is a serious contention with, minimally, thirty+ strong logical arguments supporting the proposition requires, at least, some consideration on the part of any self-professed pagan.

Given that imbalance, as far as the existence of deities goes, on what basis would any reasonable person subscribe to the truth of “Zeus exists” over and above the proposition “God exists.”

I mean this as a serious point of discussion not for any motive of denigrating your beliefs but because I take this whole issue of the existence of other beings very seriously.
 
Kallisto said:
We get that. Conversely you must understand that to us your “god” is not the sole or true one.
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I see the devil has deluded you sigh… reminds me of a certain tale of Scottish witchcraft.
 
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