Yes, but he was converting. He was forsaking the so called pagan “god” and became a believer in the Jewish God.
No need for that!Just discovered I’ve seen that word ONLY when it was used wrong.spiritual nature I meant SPIRITUAL NATURE
curls up into a ball of shame
That is what they SAY, yes. But they are also being fooled by satan, and they definitely do not ascribe to christian love
Please be polite.
Yes; please don’t insult the Pagans on our forum. We CAFers are lucky to have them here for discussion, so please don’t chase them away my maligning them.Please be polite.
Or provoke me into getting myself banned
I am not particularly confident in my ability (or yours) to tell when someone is being “fooled by Satan.” I think it’s particularly pernicious to ascribe differences of belief to “the other” being fooled by Satan. I think that such an approach is the surest way to be fooled by Satan myself. Insofar as I’ve seen a clear case of being fooled by Satan, it was inmy maternal grandmother, a devout Christian who was continually worried about being fooled by Satan. She became increasingly willing to condemn others out of a fear of being fooled by Satan into accepting something that was wrong. She caused a lot of destruction, all the while sincerely believing that she was serving God and loving other people in doing so.
Perhaps we should let them say what kind of love they subscribe to, so that we can make a comparison.
I’m not Wiccan but as far a neighborly love goes…
Stop making stuff up. I’ll give you $100 if you can prove to me that God sent the children to hell.
Well lets assess this:
Can you prove point #1? Where, exactly, does God say that ALL idolaters go to hell?
Fair point
If im correct, according to christian doctrine everyone prior to Jesus went to hell because of original sin. In fact wasnt Jesus supposed to have rescued the OT prophets while he was in hell?
Let’s pause here: unrepentant idolaters who know they are rejecting Christ in this life may go to hell. We have no idea what happens to others in the final moments of life, so we can’t even say (for example) that Hitler went to hell.
I dont think many people knowingly worship a false god. I mean unless you created it in your mind there realy isn’t any way to know if it is real at all.
That’s the point. People in Canaan who were killed may or may not have gone to hell because of it, because they were honestly worshiping gods they believed in.
I honestly worship gods I believe in, so even if im wrong (which im not) im not going to hell by that logic. If this was actually true that would deprive Christianity of its #1 missionary tool, scary stories about hell.
The parts of the Bible Skadi is talking about say nothing about a fiery hell. You only get a fiery hell in the NT. But if you’re going to interpret the OT through the NT, then you have to do so consistently. And you probably should listen to Christians explain how we do it. You really don’t have the right to tell us how to interpret our own Scriptures theologically. And if we’re just interpreting historically, then the Torah and the “Former Prophets” know nothing of a fiery hell.
If you take it literally. Most scholars think that Joshua probably is not a historical account. In some ways that’s more disturbing, because it means that ancient Hebrews regarded genocide as an ideal to which they had failed to live up . . . But a case can be made that Rahab is actually the main point of the story. Ancient Hebrews had a concept of “herem” warfare in which everything and everyone was supposed to be destroyed (but it’s questionable how far this was actually put into practice, and some scholars argue that the “kill everyone” language is typical ancient hyperbole that obviously can’t be taken literally from the fact that many such passages are followed by descriptions of survivors). But the stress in Joshua seems to fall on the exceptions, in fact.
But a fiery hell is nowhere to be found in those sections of the OT–probably not anywhere in the OT, but perhaps the image of “the valley of Hinnom” in the prophetic literature is the beginning of it.
Well, perhaps since you are on a Catholic forum you should acquaint yourself with what the Catholic Church teaches on the matter, instead of expecting Catholics (who are, after all, the largest Christian church) to adhere to your stereotype of Christianity. The Catholic Church does not teach that people who act in good faith are going to hell. It teaches that people who reject Christianity in general and/or Catholicism in particular, knowing it to be true, cannot be saved.
I went K-12 in a catholic school and actually took extra religion classes and talked with my teachers during and after classes, and had to go through the confirmation process against my will. I’m no expert, but I certainly know a fair share about it. Ive actually argued for catholicism against evangelical protestantism using bible quotes ect. just for the hell of it.