Do you care what other CAF posters think of you?

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I do and I don’t. It really hurts my feelings when I start a prayer thread, say for the poor, and someone tries to inject politics into it (which really did happen). I was annoyed by the person that did but I don’t know what they think of me. I think the problem is, when you’re like me, you want to be involved in so many conversations on CAF but you get a kind of burn-out and sometimes, unfortunately, you lose it with some folks. Some people are more patient than others. I am, however, not as patient as I should be. There are almost 7.5 billion people in the world (census.gov/popclock/) better just not to let some folks get to you.
On the other hand, I’ve seen one or two “prayer requests” that were thinly disguised political jabs, and would probably be quite insulting to the person being “prayed for”. And then the OP starts yelling about how it’s in the prayer forum when they get called on it.
 
But with the new name and platform, one thing I noticed was that a couple of members who had been banned on the original forum were welcomed back on the new one. Could this be a jubilee for banned and suspended members?
That would be very much in line with our Judeo-Christian heritage. 🙂
 
I wonder what has led to this change? The content is from forum members. So what has caused a decrease in good content from members?
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I think there’s a few reasons:
  1. The general decline in popularity of internet message board style forums as mentioned above
  2. The moderation is a victim of it’s own success. Moderation here is excellent at removing overtly hostile, obscene or aggressively offensive material. However, it does not regulate personality/characterological traits which are not necessarily “wrong,” but still antisocial. This includes passive aggression, multiple repetitive overly long replies within one thread, advice w/o any attempt at empathy, the tendency to parse every statement in order to take offense, and beating a dead horse. And the worst on here: extensive post histories in which one is never wrong, and never concedes a point ever.
    These are all behaviors that tend to be corrected; if at all, by mockery and overt hostility, so when those are moderated successfully you eventually create a thriving safe zone for these second tier anti-social approaches to posting.
  3. Most message boards have a dominant “voice” which you will notice posters deferring to and imitating over time. This forum still has a dominant female voice~the unflappable seen it all matriarch who has a wise word for every situation in and out of Church. However, my impression is that the forum’s male alpha and dominant voice was previously the very impressive poster “JREducation,” but now the forum is sort of rudderless, with multiple competing styles such as the “I beg to differ my good man, and respectfully disagree for the 9879789689th time in this thread” voice, the “womankind has wronged all men but me most of all” voice, and the “It’s ok for me to be extra smarmy and condescending because I’m a JPII Catholic” voice among others.
 
I think there’s a few reasons:
  1. Most message boards have a dominant “voice” which you will notice posters deferring to and imitating over time. This forum still has a dominant female voice~the unflappable seen it all matriarch who has a wise word for every situation in and out of Church. However, my impression is that the forum’s male alpha and dominant voice was previously the very impressive poster “JREducation,” but now the forum is sort of rudderless, with multiple competing styles such as the “I beg to differ my good man, and respectfully disagree for the 9879789689th time in this thread” voice, the “womankind has wronged all men but me most of all” voice, and the “It’s ok for me to be extra smarmy and condescending because I’m a JPII Catholic” voice among others.
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Add in the people who have been hurt by the church, or a pastor, or a person claiming to be Catholic and they are here to remind the WORLD about it in every single thread.

I’ve also never ever understood how someone can consistently slap people around and still be revered and regarded as super smart.

You can have all the book learnin in the world, but if you can’t simply talk to people with compassion…what’s Catholic about that? And what’s with the grudges?

I suppose when we get to “vote” on who we like and don’t like, many feelings will get hurt. And yeah, I think people are not exactly being honest when they say they don’t care. It may not keep some awake at night (and it shouldn’t) but a person would have to have a heart of stone not to care.
Even within this thread, people are bringing up hurts from 2-3 years ago. 🤷
 
On the other hand, I’ve seen one or two “prayer requests” that were thinly disguised political jabs, and would probably be quite insulting to the person being “prayed for”. And then the OP starts yelling about how it’s in the prayer forum when they get called on it.
I sadly don’t doubt it
 
I think there’s a few reasons:
  1. The general decline in popularity of internet message board style forums as mentioned above
  2. The moderation is a victim of it’s own success. Moderation here is excellent at removing overtly hostile, obscene or aggressively offensive material. However, it does not regulate personality/characterological traits which are not necessarily “wrong,” but still antisocial. This includes passive aggression, multiple repetitive overly long replies within one thread, advice w/o any attempt at empathy, the tendency to parse every statement in order to take offense, and beating a dead horse. And the worst on here: extensive post histories in which one is never wrong, and never concedes a point ever.
    These are all behaviors that tend to be corrected; if at all, by mockery and overt hostility, so when those are moderated successfully you eventually create a thriving safe zone for these second tier anti-social approaches to posting.
  3. Most message boards have a dominant “voice” which you will notice posters deferring to and imitating over time. This forum still has a dominant female voice~the unflappable seen it all matriarch who has a wise word for every situation in and out of Church. However, my impression is that the forum’s male alpha and dominant voice was previously the very impressive poster “JREducation,” but now the forum is sort of rudderless, with multiple competing styles such as the “I beg to differ my good man, and respectfully disagree for the 9879789689th time in this thread” voice, the “womankind has wronged all men but me most of all” voice, and the “It’s ok for me to be extra smarmy and condescending because I’m a JPII Catholic” voice among others.
Your second point is an interesting one. I can think of many times (every day :p) where I see posters saying things that aren’t really against forum rules per se, but just don’t seem like the best way to advance a conversation.

I’ll admit, it is a bit of a pet peeve of mine when a poster can never admit that someone else has a valid point nor even entertain the thought that they themselves could ever be wrong about anything—even mundane things that have nothing to do with the faith. That’s just a recipe for polarization right there. I mean, even broken clocks are right twice a day. We shouldn’t be afraid to confirm what is correct, even if it comes from a poster we disagree with most of the time.
 
Much of the decrease in good content, has resulted from a decrease in posters. I think some of that was inevitable, for the general popularity of all “internet forums” or “BBS” has declined, as many of the target audience for such forums, have moved over to using social media sites instead.

Many posters formerly active here have stopped coming altogether, or post much less frequently, and will openly tell people they are now spending most of their on-line time on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.
I didn’t realize Internet forums had declined in popularity. I can say I’ve found myself not commenting on websites or participating in forums like I used to. I’m in my forties and at first found that lots of fun. Over time I’ve come to realize it is largely not a good way to spend my time. Like with any new technology we have to learn how best to live with it and use it.

I don’t use social media at all so this remains the best platform for me.
I’ve noticed over the last several months that the number of members online is about half of what it used to be. I don’t know if that means that more members are simply not logged in or if fewer members are posting. A lot of the good content probably came from people who no longer post because they were banned or suspended or took a break from the forums and haven’t come back. Every so often someone resurrects an old thread and I see members that had been very active but haven’t posted in a months or years.
A lot of good discussion came from users who were eventually banned. I don’t question that decision but it seems like they weren’t replaced by new posters.

Particularly in the non Catholic forum I’ve notice a lot of good contributors disappear whether by administrative action or just stopping posting. And as I think I said CA Forums helped convert me and those person’s contributions were an essential element.
 
I think there’s a few reasons:
I have another reason I think might explain it, but it encompasses the internet as a whole.

I’ve observed is that in the 90s and most of the 2000s, you had to have a little bit of technical skill to get on the internet and post, so not just any person could get online and have a voice. Plus the cost of owning a connection and a computer were much higher then.

Now in the last 10 years things have become super simplified, the internet is super cheap in many places around the globe, and even the cheapest of Smart Phones can connect to the internet. The entry barrier has dropped which has allowed people who previously didn’t have a voice to have one.

This can be good and bad. It’s good because there are likely some people who can now better themselves and give a unique perspective, but the bad side is now people who aren’t willing to learn, people who have severe mental issues, and people who have huge cognitive dissonance problems now have a voice and can easily connect to other like minded people.

I think this bad side is why there are so many mega forums out there now that become huge echo chambers that breed irrational thought. People don’t care about facts, they always want to be right because no one ever taught them to deal with being wrong.

I do not know if it’s true, but being on the internet since I was 11, it sure seems like it.

Edit: Also to answer the original question. I don’t care, but I have defended other posters in private when others (most likely trolls) have posted nonsense about them.
 
The moderation is a victim of it’s own success. Moderation here is excellent at removing overtly hostile, obscene or aggressively offensive material.

However, it does not regulate personality/characterological traits which are not necessarily “wrong,” but still antisocial. This includes passive aggression, multiple repetitive overly long replies within one thread, advice w/o any attempt at empathy, the tendency to parse every statement in order to take offense, and beating a dead horse. And the worst on here: extensive post histories in which one is never wrong, and never concedes a point ever.

These are all behaviors that tend to be corrected; if at all, by mockery and overt hostility, so when those are moderated successfully you eventually create a thriving safe zone for these second tier anti-social approaches to posting. \
I think that this kind of “Church Lady” style of being subtly uncharitable, sadly may be more common on a Christian/Catholic forum than a secular one.

Another passive-aggressive posting strategy I have noticed is to heavily imply something very uncharitable such as implying one’s opponent in a topic is Hell-bound.

“I’ll be praying for you” is one utterance that can be very insulting if in the context of “obviously you are a horrible sinner who needs to be prayed for the way St. Monica prayed for St. Augustine”.

Yet when called out upon it, such passive aggressive posters will adamantly deny they ever meant such a thing, and claim THEY are the victims of hostile posters who are uncharitably “twisting my words”.

Then there’s the “say very insulting uncharitable things” followed by a platitude like “have a blessed day” and think they are now immune from any charges of being uncharitable because “but LOOK I wished them a blessed day, so obviously I didn’t mean to be uncharitable”!
I’ll admit, it is a bit of a pet peeve of mine when a poster can never admit that someone else has a valid point nor even entertain the thought that they themselves could ever be wrong about anything—even mundane things that have nothing to do with the faith. That’s just a recipe for polarization right there. I mean, even broken clocks are right twice a day. We shouldn’t be afraid to confirm what is correct, even if it comes from a poster we disagree with most of the time.
This is very common in the political and “culture war” topics where people seem to think they cannot afford to ever admit being wrong, because that is to provide your political “enemies” with more ammunition against you. But other than a handful of extreme partisans, very few people in Real Life act this way.

When it comes to Family Life, I can certainly think of posters who “give advice” with an attitude of: “I obviously have a better sense of judgment, and am morally superior to all of you, and thus have the God-given ability to sit on my throne above you and judge you all. Everyone should take my critiques to heart. And if I praise someone, they should be grateful for it”.

Then there is the "this approach of raising my kids, budgeting my money, etc., worked for me, so everyone should also follow the same system. If they don’t they are being irresponsible. No allowances for changes in circumstance, those are just excuses. " attitude.

On the other hand there is the “Anyone extolling the virtues of how they raise their family, MUST be out to attack me because they know I raise my family in a completely different way” attitude, that leads to a lot of “Mommy Wars” though they seem less prevalent these days.

I personally try to not pay attention to the name attached to a post and just reply to the content. There are posters I vehemently disagree with politically, but who I have great discussions with non-political topics.

However posting history is a thing. There are many posters I have on unofficial ignore because I do not find engaging with them to be a productive use of my time at all.
 
I personally try to not pay attention to the name attached to a post and just reply to the content. There are posters I vehemently disagree with politically, but who I have great discussions with non-political topics.

However posting history is a thing. There are many posters I have on unofficial ignore because I do not find engaging with them to be a productive use of my time at all.
That’s an interesting approach. I’m not sure I could not pay attention to the name attached. Though, sometimes, my limited memory helps me out in that regard. :o That would make it easier to stick to the topic at hand. Although, sometimes I have found it helpful to remember, such as the posters who are constantly asking if this or that is a sin. Sometimes the single post doesn’t tell the whole story.
 
Nope, I don’t care what other posters think of me. I contribute my opinion or my perspective and if someone else doesn’t agree, well that’s their right.
 
And yeah, I think people are not exactly being honest when they say they don’t care. It may not keep some awake at night (and it shouldn’t) but a person would have to have a heart of stone not to care.
Even within this thread, people are bringing up hurts from 2-3 years ago. 🤷
The truth hurts for some people. They would just rather not know I suppose. Ignorance is bliss, so unsolicited or not, they really can’t bear the fact that there is a problem, or that they may actually be wrong.
 
That’s an interesting approach. I’m not sure I could not pay attention to the name attached. Though, sometimes, my limited memory helps me out in that regard. :o That would make it easier to stick to the topic at hand. Although, sometimes I have found it helpful to remember, such as the posters who are constantly asking if this or that is a sin. Sometimes the single post doesn’t tell the whole story.
Well certainly there are exceptions. Some posters I am fairly sure are trolls. Others, I find to be so eager to turn everything into a fight, or at least a hostile debate, that it is best to ignore them.

However there are many people who seem to easily lose their cool, or suffer from “can never admit I am wrong”-its, when it come to certain hot button topics, such as the current POTUS, capital punishment (both when it comes to judicial executions and parental spanking), NFP, immigration, the Traditional Latin Mass, etc. But are quite capable of civil discourse on other topics.
 
That’s an interesting approach. I’m not sure I could not pay attention to the name attached. Though, sometimes, my limited memory helps me out in that regard. :o That would make it easier to stick to the topic at hand. Although, sometimes I have found it helpful to remember, such as the posters who are constantly asking if this or that is a sin. Sometimes the single post doesn’t tell the whole story.
I’m kinda in the same boat. There are maybe a dozen or so posters that I could predict their response 90% of the time and another dozen that I go “is XYZ the person who loves or hates Latin; right they love it and ZYX hates it” (ZYX is unfortunately really ZabcX 😊).
 
I think that this kind of “Church Lady” style of being subtly uncharitable, sadly may be more common on a Christian/Catholic forum than a secular one.

Another passive-aggressive posting strategy I have noticed is to heavily imply something very uncharitable such as implying one’s opponent in a topic is Hell-bound.

“I’ll be praying for you” is one utterance that can be very insulting if in the context of “obviously you are a horrible sinner who needs to be prayed for the way St. Monica prayed for St. Augustine”.

Yet when called out upon it, such passive aggressive posters will adamantly deny they ever meant such a thing, and claim THEY are the victims of hostile posters who are uncharitably “twisting my words”.

Then there’s the “say very insulting uncharitable things” followed by a platitude like “have a blessed day” and think they are now immune from any charges of being uncharitable because “but LOOK I wished them a blessed day, so obviously I didn’t mean to be uncharitable”!

However posting history is a thing. There are many posters I have on unofficial ignore because I do not find engaging with them to be a productive use of my time at all.
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I’m kinda in the same boat. There are maybe a dozen or so posters that I could predict their response 90% of the time and another dozen that I go “is XYZ the person who loves or hates Latin; right they love it and ZYX hates it” (ZYX is unfortunately really ZabcX 😊).
The addition of avatars (which was probably 8 years ago by now :p) has both helped and hurt in this regard. If a poster has a unique and recognizable avatar, I can more easily connect their posts. But then some users have the same avatars, so then I sometimes confuse their posts. :o “Wow, poster ABC is really more snarky that usual today! O wait, that’s because it’s really poster CBA.”
 
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