Do you fear that you may go to Hell?

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Hi Jeanne…

Yes fearing hell and just responding to ‘being and doing Christian’ won’t cut it.

I also place on myself all Our Lord’s merits to overplace my deficiencies…and unite myself and my family to the redemptive and saving power of the Mass said 24 hours a day throughout the world.

As Catholics…we cannot just look at one phrase or two…we have to look at the whole of Scripture to truly hear what God is saying to us…and there is alot of emphasis on perseverance and also our own spiritual blindness that needs to be healed before we can see who we are not…and Who Christ is.

So I cannot presume I am going to heaven…and there is a line in a psalm…66?..God likes it when we are on trembling knees…that reflects the idea that it is better we not presume our salvation but approach Him as truly the Author of Life and that we depend totally on Him for our salvation.
 
KathleenGee said:
Hi Jeanne…

Yes fearing hell and just responding to ‘being and doing Christian’ won’t cut it.

I also place on myself all Our Lord’s merits to overplace my deficiencies…and unite myself and my family to the redemptive and saving power of the Mass said 24 hours a day throughout the world.

As Catholics…we cannot just look at one phrase or two…we have to look at the whole of Scripture to truly hear what God is saying to us…and there is alot of emphasis on perseverance and also our own spiritual blindness that needs to be healed before we can see who we are not…and Who Christ is.

So I cannot presume I am going to heaven…and there is a line in a psalm…66?..God likes it when we are on trembling knees…that reflects the idea that it is better we not presume our salvation but approach Him as truly the Author of Life and that we depend totally on Him for our salvation.
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drac16 said:
If I were to die today, I’m convinced that I would go to Hell. I sometimes feel as though I’m the worst sinner in the world. I’m not what I once was-- and I have no one to blame but myself.
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I think pretty much everyone who truly understands what is like to be human feel the same as you.

We know that no matter how good we try to be, society, this world, people can drive you to do wrong. You can start out the day trying to be so good, but no matter how hard you try you fail.

But the true reason I believe you will not go to hell is this, you FEEL you are a sinner, and you put BLAME on yourself.

Admitting fault, accepting blame is what we call confession. If you are sorry for what mistakes you make, or made, and truly try to do better, or would honestly do things differently for the right reasons, is what God is looking for.

He is not looking for our sins to condemn us to hell, he is looking for our sorrow and repentance to him that sends us to heaven.
 
smead2942 said:
Yes, mostly due to habitual sin.
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I agree, but I pray for grace everyday, and I believe that with my free will, together with extra grace from God, before I die hopefully between God and I we can beat that sin.

I know on the part of God it is a complete success, its my free will that I need his grace to strengthen myself. All I have to do is accept that grace, continue to pray and use it, that can make me a winner.

But I have also learned human strength is not enough. we must pray, and pray daily for Divine Grace from God. And if we pray enough it can happen.
 
Agree with Rinnie…and St. Paul says we cannot even judge ourselves.

We must know virtue from sin, embrace our Lord and trust in His mercy…and be merciful to others.
 
rinnie said:
I agree, but I pray for grace everyday, and I believe that with my free will, together with extra grace from God, before I die hopefully between God and I we can beat that sin.

I know on the part of God it is a complete success, its my free will that I need his grace to strengthen myself. All I have to do is accept that grace, continue to pray and use it, that can make me a winner.

But I have also learned human strength is not enough. we must pray, and pray daily for Divine Grace from God. And if we pray enough it can happen.
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Pray and partake of the Sacraments that Jesus instituted for us. Being in the Church that Jesus founded is Grace itself…
United with Christ, the Church is sanctified by him; through him and with him she becomes sanctifying. “All the activities of the Church are directed, as toward their end, to the sanctification of men in Christ and the glorification of God.” It is in the Church that “the fullness of the means of salvation” has been deposited. It is in her that "by the grace of God we acquire holiness.
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Blessedwithfive said:
I have many friends who are Prostestant and they are sure they are going to heaven. They say “I have accepted Jesus as my personal Savior” and therefore I will go to heaven. As a Catholic, I pray daily that I just don’t go to Hell, but I’m sure I won’t make to Heaven on the first try.🤷
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I think you summed up my own sentiments nicely…better than I could.

I certainly don’t assume I’ll ever make it to heaven.
But I can’t imagine rejecting God, which is the only way to be in Hell.
 
I’m not going to heaven because I prayed some prayer. I’m going to heaven because Jesus Christ bore the wrath and curse due to my sins once for all in his body on the tree. God doesn’t punish sin twice.
 
Indifferently said:
I’m not going to heaven because I prayed some prayer. I’m going to heaven because Jesus Christ bore the wrath and curse due to my sins once for all in his body on the tree. God doesn’t punish sin twice.
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Jesus did that so that you MIGHT not die. So that you MIGHT have eternal life.
Depends on what you do with your reprieve.
He didn’t buy you a ticket straight to heaven.
 
Indifferently said:
I’m not going to heaven because I prayed some prayer. I’m going to heaven because Jesus Christ bore the wrath and curse due to my sins once for all in his body on the tree. God doesn’t punish sin twice.
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Then why do we have all those commandments if we can behave as we please? Why in Matthew does Jesus talk about separating the goats from the sheep? Why is Paul tell the Philippians (2:12) to work out their salvation with “fear and trembling”? Why does Jesus spend so much time talking about hell in the Gospel?
 
ptisme said:
Then why do we have all those commandments if we can behave as we please? Why in Matthew does Jesus talk about separating the goats from the sheep? Why is Paul tell the Philippians (2:12) to work out their salvation with “fear and trembling”? Why does Jesus spend so much time talking about hell in the Gospel?
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The way most Protestant’s would answer is this, “whenever Jesus, or Paul or anyone else is talking about people going to hell, they are directing it to non-believers and those that have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior yet.”
 
JMM1957 said:
The way most Protestant’s would answer is this, “whenever Jesus, or Paul or anyone else is talking about people going to hell, they are directing it to non-believers and those that have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior yet.”
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So if you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior then you’ll obey the commandments and do good works? Sounds like they would live a very similar life to a Catholic?
 
JMM1957 said:
The way most Protestant’s would answer is this, “whenever Jesus, or Paul or anyone else is talking about people going to hell, they are directing it to non-believers and those that have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior yet.”
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Those who are going to hell are those who deserve it due to their sins and for whom Christ did not die and whom God will not pardon on the day of wrath. Jesus did purchase redemption and salvation for his elect, and the Bible is clear about that in numerous places. He didn’t just make it possible that all men might be saved (as long as they co-operate with his gracious offer, of course) but rather made it certain that all his chosen ones will be saved.

It’s not about “accepting” Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Jesus IS Lord and IS Saviour (of his people) whether you accept him or not. Of course, those for whom he died are given the gift of faith to trust in Christ’s death and merits as sufficient (and not just prerequisite) for their salvation and life.
 
Indifferently said:
Those who are going to hell are those who deserve it due to their sins and for whom Christ did not die and whom God will not pardon on the day of wrath.
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Jesus did die for the whole of mankind. In a sense, all mankind is saved through the work of God through Jesus, because all flesh is resurrected. Yet acceptance/belief-in/faithfullness/repentance/conversion/perseverence/suffering with and works worthy of repentance is necessary for those who benefit unto the resurrection of life.

I liked your post in the last page! God does not punish sin twice. For those who do not give their sinfullness to God’s sacrifice for sin the punishment remains on them. This is even though Jesus was the offering for their sins, but they did not accept. Yet, there is nevertheless a resurrection of their flesh!
Jesus did purchase redemption and salvation for his elect, and the Bible is clear about that in numerous places. He didn’t just make it possible that all men might be saved (as long as they co-operate with his gracious offer, of course) but rather made it certain that all his chosen ones will be saved.
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Im not in too much agreement about this interpretation. It does not seem to conform to the orthodox faith. Jesus DID make salvation available for all men.
It’s not about “accepting” Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Jesus IS Lord and IS Saviour (of his people) whether you accept him or not. Of course, those for whom he died are given the gift of faith to trust in Christ’s death and merits as sufficient (and not just prerequisite) for their salvation and life.
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Again, Jesus did die so that the WORLD might be saved. It most definitely is about “accepting” It seems silly to have to quote one of the most famous passages in Scripture… but…

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does what is true comes to the light, that it may be clearly seen that his deeds have been wrought in God.
 
Kliska said:
Romans5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; 4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; 5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.** 6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.** 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. 12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. 16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. 17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. 18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. 19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. 20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Grace and peace :grouphug:
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I am going to heaven. Not by anything I have done but what Jesus did for me.:blessyou:
 
Jesus teaches that the actions of each of us will be judged by God at the end of our lives.

He further teaches us that our actions in this life could merit eternal damnation.

from these teachings of Jesus, it is safe to assume that no one can consider themselves saved until they are judged by God at the moment of their deaths.

any alternative belief to this would not be coming from Jesus.
 
Drac…if you are still around here…I prayed for you last night…I forgot at Mass last weekend…sorry…to include you in my prayers for your faith walk…

But it came to me last night that we get to a point in our prayer life…where we start to hit walls, or begin to feel like we are in a box…

My recommend is to pray and search because God brings us to these places for us to seek a higher plane…to reach higher…may be God is calling you to grow more and to expand more in your faith walk…keep you in prayer…
 
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