Do you feel that the US should make it easier for Mexican citizens to work in US?

[LCMS_No_More]

gilliam:

The following is true, as far as I know:

1. Unions are hoping to get more members from the illegal population once they have papers.
2. The Democrats are hoping to get more members from the illegal population once they have papers.

Both are openly recruiting.

Photographed at the Dallas illegal alien demonstration yesterday:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/dallasdemflyer.jpg

Stupid picture. While I can see it as “Mexico and Texas should work together,” people of a nationalistic and, in my opinion, hysterical, bent could see it as “Texas should become part of Mexico” and get all freaked out. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb move! Very bad tactics!

 

[gilliam]

LCMS_No_More:

Stupid picture. While I can see it as “Mexico and Texas should work together,” people of a nationalistic and, in my opinion, hysterical, bent could see it as “Texas should become part of Mexico” and get all freaked out. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb move! Very bad tactics!

I agree… not exactly PR 101 material. Here’s a better sign:

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg...pg?x=380&y=255&sig=frGXOjfuIx96jcZl5pgA1g--** **

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[richbansha]

wabrams:

I tell you what: between this post and this one, tell me whether you want to move to Mexico or Europe (since you think this is such an awful country) and I’ll help you pack.

Thanks, but I spend plenty of time abroad and can set myself up very easily.

I don’t know where you get the idea that I hate America. Unlike our fearless leader, I actually did serve a full stint in the armed forces and didn’t desert. I was and still am proud of it. What upsets me is that the very things that I was willing to fight for are gone. I want them back.

Since our last two presidents evaded military service, it does not surprise me that the current political climate is hostile to me and other disabled vets. Unfortunately, you are stuck with us. This was our country before and it will be our country again. The political hacks that have control now will never out last us.

When I enlisted, I swore to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. That oath did not carry an expiration date. Most of my fellow vets feel the same way. You will never shut us up and you will never make us go away. Our country comes before money, power or oil. Don’t like it? Too bad. Steal any election you can, it won’t last long. The Americans are making a comeback and no political fraud can stuff a ballot box full enough to keep us from winning back our government.

Maybe you had better think of where you want to spend your exile.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

richbansha:

Thanks, but I spend plenty of time abroad and can set myself up very easily.

I don’t know where you get the idea that I hate America. Unlike our fearless leader, I actually did serve a full stint in the armed forces and didn’t desert. I was and still am proud of it. What upsets me is that the very things that I was willing to fight for are gone. I want them back.

Since our last two presidents evaded military service, it does not surprise me that the current political climate is hostile to me and other disabled vets. Unfortunately, you are stuck with us. This was our country before and it will be our country again. The political hacks that have control now will never out last us.

When I enlisted, I swore to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. That oath did not carry an expiration date. Most of my fellow vets feel the same way. You will never shut us up and you will never make us go away. Our country comes before money, power or oil. Don’t like it? Too bad. Steal any election you can, it won’t last long. The Americans are making a comeback and no political fraud can stuff a ballot box full enough to keep us from winning back our government.

Maybe you had better think of where you want to spend your exile.

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Hear, hear! While I’ve never served in the military, I am a civil servant who has taken the same oath you have (with the addition of the Constitution of the State of California ) and I take it very seriously. Thank you for your words!

 

[Geldain]

richbansha:

When I enlisted, I swore to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. That oath did not carry an expiration date.

Thank you very much for your service to our nation!

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[Ani_Ibi]

Darrel:

As for security, I think we need to crim check every illegal thats here before granting citizenship. This way they pay taxes like the rest of us and can truely participate in society (as Americans).

Illegals can already pay taxes. They can register for a special number and pay their taxes anonymously. Many illegals want to contribute to the US in this way.

Darrel:

In the end, the only solution is to make Mexico a first world country.

I agree. I don’t think we have many options other than this one actually.

 

[Thekla]

Best sign at the immigration rally in DC today…

“The Giant Wasn’t Sleeping, He Was Working 3 Jobs.”

I think that people living and working in this country should receive citizenship.

 

[sunshine560]

I think people that come from mexico should be able to speak english and be here legally. I mean come on I have to speak spanish to eat somewhere. Do people now realize we are a minority now and illegals are the majority. Im all for it being a felony. I was at the dmv and someone that was here illegally had more right than me as a US citizen. Something is wrong? And if they are going to march in a walk dont go carring the mexican flag gee how disrespectful.

 

[cougarfan]

sunshine560:

I think people that come from mexico should be able to speak english and be here legally. I mean come on I have to speak spanish to eat somewhere. Do people now realize we are a minority now and illegals are the majority. Im all for it being a felony. I was at the dmv and someone that was here illegally had more right than me as a US citizen. Something is wrong? And if they are going to march in a walk dont go carring the mexican flag gee how disrespectful.

A good portion of Mexicans learn English by their 3rd year. Please dont make sweeping generalizations and I do agree, they should want to learn the English language. Americans are never going to be a minority. This is a fear some of you have. As a Mexican born immigrant to the USA, I can tell you that Mexicans, Central and Southern Americans also view themselves as Americans. Those who carry their country flags are also showing their pride in being who they were and waving what they would also love to become.

 

[gilliam]

cougarfan:

A good portion of Mexicans learn English by their 3rd year. Please dont make sweeping generalizations and I do agree, they should want to learn the English language. Americans are never going to be a minority. This is a fear some of you have. As a Mexican born immigrant to the USA, I can tell you that Mexicans, Central and Southern Americans also view themselves as Americans. Those who carry their country flags are also showing their pride in being who they were and waving what they would also love to become.

This is what I have seen as well.

By the way, I wore an Italian button though two of my High School years. It didn’t make me any less an American.

 

[jman507]

While I do think we should make it easier for workers to come to the US, and it should be made easier for people to come in easier legally, the thing that is most pressing is that we have some control over the border. It seems like those supporting immagrants will not be happy with anything less than an open border. The measures we took twenty years ago, didn’t seem to make any difference to the problem. It seems to have only gotten worse, the thing is right now with the border as it is, if we grant amnesty, whats it going to look like in the next twenty years? Are we going to have four times as many as 12 million? If so how many cities would be crippled by taking in 48 million immagrants?

 

[St_Francis]

cougarfan:

A good portion of Mexicans learn English by their 3rd year.

This has not been my experience. I speak Spanish (not well but better than their English) and have met more people who have been here for years who do not speak English well enough to go to a job interview in English than not. Those who do know some English know only enough to do their work, and not enough to say, listen to the radio in English or read the paper in English. They are thus captive to Spanish sources of information which are very slanted. Even the students don’t know Engish well enough to do their schoolwork well.

Please dont make sweeping generalizations and I do agree, they should want to learn the English language. Americans are never going to be a minority. This is a fear some of you have. As a Mexican born immigrant to the USA, I can tell you that Mexicans, Central and Southern Americans also view themselves as Americans.

I always use the term US or USA to refer to where I come from as I understand that it is offensive to some to refer to the US as America; however, we don’t have a word like United Statesian with which to refer to ourselves, and as we saw with these demonstrations, Mexicans, among others, do not seem to consider themselves Americans but Mexicans, etc. (Since the protesters were mostly Mexican, I referred to them.)

Those who carry their country flags are also showing their pride in being who they were and waving what they would also love to become.

In the first demonstations they were waving Mexican flags and threatening people who had US flags. They saw that was a bad PR move, so they have changed that.

 

[pnewton]

Yes. Totally. I whole-heartedly think we should be open to immigrants and temporary workers who want to come here to work. It should be easy for them to do this legally, with their passage into the country and movement properly documented. Then we can close the border to illegal entry and be just in treating those who dodge the law as criminals.

I resent the heck out of those who are just here to work trying to tell us what our laws need to be, though. I am sure Mexican nationals are just as resentful when Americans try to bully their country into changing to fit our needs.

Let Americans (not insurgents) make our own laws. Let us make them fair and open. Let us value all the hard work done by immigrant workers. In turn, let the workers respect the laws that our democratic system enacts.

 

[Pondero]

As Ani Ibi said the Mexican illegals can if they wish pay their income taxes by using a special number given to them. (That information I gleaned from watching the CNN documentary on Palm Sunday.)

I assume that the IRS has to accept it as conscience money and cannot check the correctness or otherwise of the payment. What then I wonder is the benefit to the illegal, apart from having his conscience cleared?

I wonder, perhaps if at some time a General Amnesty for illegals is given, that it may be a faster road to American citizenship, if it can be shown after the amnesty that this person has paid some income taxes voluntarily in the past.

In Canada, Revenue Canada, as it was once called , at one time collected taxes given voluntarily from the madams of prostitutes and said no more about it. What they do now I don’t know. The name of the tax department is now Canada Customs and Revenue Agency. But, it wouldn’t surprise me if the practice was still being carried out.

I am not aware of any similar “give them a number” system to enable Portuguese illegals who work in the Toronto construction industry to pay income taxes, but if there isn’t it sounds like a good idea to do so.

 

[Geldain]

Thekla:

I think that people living and working in this country should receive citizenship.

I think people living and working legally in this country should receive citizenship.

 

[wabrams]

richbansha:

Thanks, but I spend plenty of time abroad and can set myself up very easily.

I don’t know where you get the idea that I hate America.

It was just from the tone of your posts.

richbansha:

Unlike our fearless leader, I actually did serve a full stint in the armed forces and didn’t desert. I was and still am proud of it. What upsets me is that the very things that I was willing to fight for are gone. I want them back.

Since our last two presidents evaded military service, it does not surprise me that the current political climate is hostile to me and other disabled vets.

I very much respect all of what you just said.

richbansha:

Unfortunately, you are stuck with us. This was our country before and it will be our country again. The political hacks that have control now will never out last us.

When I enlisted, I swore to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. That oath did not carry an expiration date. Most of my fellow vets feel the same way. You will never shut us up and you will never make us go away. Our country comes before money, power or oil. Don’t like it? Too bad. Steal any election you can, it won’t last long. The Americans are making a comeback and no political fraud can stuff a ballot box full enough to keep us from winning back our government.

Maybe you had better think of where you want to spend your exile.

You got me on all of that. Would you mind elaborating?

 

[seabird3579]

From what CNN reports, there is not a level playing field as far as becoming a U.S. citizen.

I was left with the impression that Mexicans are not afforded the opportunity as often to become “legal” citizens because there is so much illegal activity that has to be contended with from that country. Therefore, many of them attempt to cross illegally trying to find work and support their families. It seems to be a viscious circle.

I do believe the United States has the right to be a sovereign country and and have its borders respected as such. And to add fuel to the fire, terrorists gaining entry on an open border is a major threat.

There are several “rumors” floating around about American workers (and Mexican workers for that matter) that are just not true. I do believe Americans will do any job Mexicans will do if they are paid a living wage.

In other words, it is much, much, much more expensive to live in California that it is to live in Mexico. So a California native who works the fields must be able to pay for food, shelter and utilities along with car, insurance, taxes, etc…everything that California law binds upon a citizen.

Illegal Mexicans working “under the table” are not subjected to the same “rules” and, therefore, don’t pay to live the way Californianas are required to under laws and statutes.

It is also bad for Mexicans to have to live “illegally” because they become unwilling victims of the system that “uses” them for cheap slave labor.

It is admirable when men will go to such lengths as Mexicans have gone through to support their families – and to do the back breaking work that they do, however, the laws need to be changed to hold accountable those who would inspire these men to risk their lives to work in the U.S.

I hold more contempt for employers who would escape their moral responsibility of paying a living wage. One day they will have to pay that wage whether or not their worker is an American or a Mexican. God demands it of them as attested to in Scripture.

I think it would behoove Congress to find their backbone and enforce the laws against employers who break the laws recklessly for higher profits.

 

[gilliam]

seabird3579:

In other words, it is much, much, much more expensive to live in California that it is to live in Mexico. So a California native who works the fields must be able to pay for food, shelter and utilities along with car, insurance, taxes, etc…everything that California law binds upon a citizen.

Many (most) field hands in CA are supplied housing by the farms they work on.

I think I would find a better source than CNN for your information on how many Mexicans immigrate each year.

 

[Geldain]

seabird3579:

I think it would behoove Congress to find their backbone and enforce the laws against employers who break the laws recklessly for higher profits.

I agree 100%!