Do you find eating mutilated animals to be disgusting?

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You shouldn’t be washing your chicken anyway, Robert. That just splashes the germs around the place. Put the chicken in the pot and the heat will kill all the germs.
 
I wasn’t aware that Richard Dawkins was concerned with believing in accordance to Church teaching, like I was in that statement. We are made by God as unique individuals and are just a little bit individual and have a bunch of outside “voices” to control all of our actions. That is why we are responsible for our own sins and have to go to confession. Now the Holy Spirit and Satanic forces can influence us, but I don’t think it is a constant them whispering in your ear and telling you that eating meat is disgusting and it is a mutilated animal (especially when Church teaching does NOT require that and is totally fine with eating meat). It just doesn’t work that way.

Just because I differ from your views does not mean I am atheist or that I am not a Catholic. You are being a little offensive and trying to offend me.
 
This whole thread is really putting me off on carving my turkey tomorrow!

Have a Happy Thanksgiving to all in the States!👍
 
ConstantineTG said:
I’m not so sure. Being in Canada, I haven’t heard of bears hunting humans for food. They will attack humans in self defense, but I haven’t heard them attacking humans for food.
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Not common, but it does happen. Just last year, a man was attacked and partially eaten by a grizzly (brown) bear and her cubs just outside of Yellowstone. The bear attacked and killed the man while he was sleeping in his tent after attacking at least two other tents. They caught the bear the next day when she returned to feed on the body which, of course, was no longer there.

There was a man this year in Denali National Park in Alaska that was killed by a grizzly. First bear-related death recorded in that park. Rangers found the bear sitting on the remains of the body and a necropsy of the bear confirmed that it was feeding on the body.

Polar bears will hunt humans for food, especially when their normal prey is in short supply.

Peace

Tim
 
migueltojose said:
There is a lot of history (evolution? gasp!) at work here. Cultures that consumed the most protein were the strongest and smartest (and most successful). Meat provides a lot of protein. We crave animal fat (that’s where the flavor comes from). Lewis and Clark’s party averaged 7-10 lbs of meat per day and they averaged about 5’6" and 140 lbs. Demand for calories and protein were obviously high for hard working people.

Obviously we’re not where we were then but there’s a lot of history as to why we eat what we eat and how we do it.

Some of us (and a lot of the rest of the world) seem to want to apologize for being strong, explorers, conquerors, colonizers, etc. That’s where the missionaries came from.

Anyway I’m proud of the heritage of western civilization and hope we remain the leaders of mankind because we are stronger and smarter. (And the Catholic Church and Christianity were a big part of it.

So let’s all throw a big old fat turkey in the oven and give thanks.
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Are you joking?

Missionaries did not go as conquerors, colonisers. Conquerors and colonisers should apologise and be ashamed. Who is the leader of mankind? I thought it was God. Who decides who is smarter? Stronger? So might is right?
 
pig said:
You shouldn’t be washing your chicken anyway, Robert. That just splashes the germs around the place. Put the chicken in the pot and the heat will kill all the germs.
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That’s how we did it! Butcher. Boil. Pluck. The feathers came out easier when the bird was washed in hot water too. 😃
 
Robert_Sock said:
It’s too much work being a vegetarian. I got lazy and started eating meats again. But I still think it’s one of the disgusting things about being human. I hope we don’t have to eat with our glorified bodies! (Jesus actually ate in His glorified body and that worries me).
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Can we explore why you think it is disgusting?

Peace,
Mark
 
Robert_Sock said:
My experience when I washed my first chicken was so PROFOUND I’ll never forget it; my interest was to see how many people have had similar experiences. Much of my belief system exploded with that experience. I was an atheist back then, but now I look at the whole experience from a religious perspective. Again, I encourage you to empathize with me here and imagine what such an experience did to me. I literately became a different person!
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That you should have a profound experience from simply washing a chicken is just incomprehensible to me–and I imagine to many others. What was it about the experience that disturbed you? Had you only eaten canned or prepared food for your whole life? I’d like to understand.

Peace,
Mark
 
MarkInOregon said:
That you should have a profound experience from simply washing a chicken is just incomprehensible to me–and I imagine to many others. What was it about the experience that disturbed you? Had you only eaten canned or prepared food for your whole life? I’d like to understand.

Peace,
Mark
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In recognizing that the chicken was truly a living thing and realizing what exaclty that means, ie, that reality consists of more than just the physical world we can see and touch, but that there is a deeper reality beyond it is not at all farfetched. People have such recognitions about reality through all sorts of different random things. I have heard of someone who became a believer in God after eating a particularly delicious meal, the meal just tasted so good it convinced him that God must exist. It happens all the time and it is very understandable. 🤷 I think some of you posters need to give the OP a break.
 
thewanderer said:
In recognizing that the chicken was truly a living thing and realizing what exaclty that means, ie, that reality consists of more than just the physical world we can see and touch, but that there is a deeper reality beyond it is not at all farfetched. People have such recognitions about reality through all sorts of different random things. I have heard of someone who became a believer in God after eating a particularly delicious meal, the meal just tasted so good it convinced him that God must exist. It happens all the time and it is very understandable. 🤷 I think some of you posters need to give the OP a break.
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I got the impression the poster was an adult when he had this experience. That he would not have recognized that the chicken was a truly living thing etc. and what that means previously is – well maybe they byproduct of a world in which most people live totally disconnected from their food supply. And I stand repentent for seeking to understand the OPer regarding something that I just don’t see and I apologize for my thickness. I in no way intended to attack the OP–I would simply like a better understanding of his experience as he speaks of voices and of this being from the Holy Spirit.

Peace,
Mark
 
MarkInOregon said:
That you should have a profound experience from simply washing a chicken is just incomprehensible to me–and I imagine to many others. What was it about the experience that disturbed you? Had you only eaten canned or prepared food for your whole life? I’d like to understand.

Peace,
Mark
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This was the first time I cooked chicken myself. Washing it was like washing a butchered animal. I can’t describe it accurately, but the sensation of my holding the dead chicken and knowing that I was going to cook and eat it was a religious experience that shattered much of my belief system in humankind. I saw us as meatbots for the first time.
 
Robert_Sock said:
This was the first time I cooked chicken myself. Washing it was like washing a butchered animal. I can’t describe it accurately, but the sensation of my holding the dead chicken and knowing that I was going to cook and eat it was a religious experience that shattered much of my belief system in humankind. I saw us as meatbots for the first time.
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I can empathize with you, Robert. It is a sobering experience. Just imagine if you had to kosher the chicken!
 
Robert_Sock said:
How do you kosher a chicken?
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From scratch, besides draining the blood with salt, one would have to inspect the internal organs, such as the lungs, to see if there were any defects. There is kosher and what is called glatt kosher (fully kosher); in the latter case, the slightest blemish renders the animal non-kosher and unfit for human consumption.
 
meltzerboy said:
From scratch, besides draining the blood with salt, one would have to inspect the internal organs, such as the lungs, to see if there were any defects. There is kosher and what is called glatt kosher (fully kosher); in the latter case, the slightest blemish renders the animal non-kosher and unfit for human consumption.
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Don’t forget, you need to hire a Rabbi to keep an eye on things, too.
 
thewanderer said:
In recognizing that the chicken was truly a living thing and realizing what exaclty that means, ie, that reality consists of more than just the physical world we can see and touch, but that there is a deeper reality beyond it is not at all farfetched. People have such recognitions about reality through all sorts of different random things. I have heard of someone who became a believer in God after eating a particularly delicious meal, the meal just tasted so good it convinced him that God must exist. It happens all the time and it is very understandable. 🤷 I think some of you posters need to give the OP a break.
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You are a very charitable person.👍
 
MarkInOregon said:
I got the impression the poster was an adult when he had this experience. That he would not have recognized that the chicken was a truly living thing etc. and what that means previously is – well maybe they byproduct of a world in which most people live totally disconnected from their food supply. And I stand repentent for seeking to understand the OPer regarding something that I just don’t see and I apologize for my thickness. I in no way intended to attack the OP–I would simply like a better understanding of his experience as he speaks of voices and of this being from the Holy Spirit.

Peace,
Mark
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I really don’t see why the age of the OP matters at all.

I am sorry if it sounded as though I were saying you are thick, that was not at all my intention, but there have been multiple posts on this thread that made it sound almost as though nobody believed the OP that such an experience was possible. Now its one thing if people are asking the OP to explain their experience more in a way that clearly expresses interest in learning more about it, but it is another to give off the impression that you think the OP’s experience didn’t really happen. Now I’m not claiming you were trying to do that, but the number and tone of a bunch of the posts on here gave off the impression that people disbelieved the OP about this experience, or at the very least they were being very dismissive of it. It came across as being very uncharitable, that is all, which is why I asked posters (not you specifically) to give the OP a break.

And in case you’re wondering, I voted no in the pole. 🤷

ETA: On rereading your original post I see that you were a little more careful in the way you worded your response to the OP, I apologize for reacting to your post in particular, but it was just the last straw, if you will, of the overall impression being made by multiple posts on this thread. I am truly sorry for offending you if I have, as I said, that was not at all my intention, but the general impression I got from the posts on this thread was quite disbelieveng and dismissive of the OP’s experience, I hope this helps you to better understand why I reacted the way that I did.
 
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