Do you have questions about Catholic beliefs & Practices

[PJM]

Yes with one exception. In Matthew 16 “rock” is not literal.

Yes

Thank you, by answering yes here is what you agreed too

PLEASE answer the question about whether or not the passages I POSTED MUST BE TAKEN LITERALLY

Mt 10:18 [Yes or NO?]

THAT God did extend to His one faitn/One Church some of HIS Godly Authority

Mt 16:18-19 " "

THAT God did do exactly what He set out to accomplish: set up ONLY one TRUE Faith/Church

Jn 17:17-20 " "

THAT Jesus/God gives HIMSELF as the Personal warranty of ALL that the RCC teaches on both Faith matters and Morals

1 Jn 5: 16-17 " "
THAT"Mortal sin" / unto Spiritual Death is a reality

Jn 20: 19-23 " "

THAT as the NORM Jesus/ GOD expects humanity to advantage Sacramental Confession for the forgiveness of sins

Mt 28: 19-20 " "

THAT the charism/ the command to GO-Teach the world ALL that I taught to you was directed exclusively to His RCC

Hen 6: 1-7 " "

That the GOD-imposed penalty for abandoment of the RCC is VERY likely a Mortal sin

1st Cor 11:23-30 " "

That the Real Presence of Jesus in Catholic Holy Comunion is NOT a parable, BUT reality

PLEASE ANSWER YES OR NO you answered YES to all**
.

Remember"communion" had not been “ordained” at the time Jesus said this. The multitude listening took it to “literally” to mean cannibalism and walled away. The apostles understood it to be a parable and stayed. They might not know the meaning but knew they would learn soon enough

1. Time does NOT exist for God, [Jesus IS God] everything is in th present
2. While SOME/ but not ALL the listeners did take it literally; many dd not including the Apostles who were asked DIRECTLY by God: DO YOU WISH TO ABANDON ME TOO?
   To which Peter replied with a CLEAR Profession of belief!

Jn 6: [69] And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. [70] And we have believed and have known, that thou art the Christ,
the Son of God"

**Add to that 1st Cor 11:23-30 and Acts.2:42 **“And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of bread, and in prayers” PROVING both belief & Practice of the Early RCC.

.3. as for “rock” not being literal:

Luke 6:48
He is like to a man building a house, who digged deep, and laid the foundation upon a rock. And when a flood came, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and it could not shake it; for it was founded on a rock.

Ephesians 2:20
[the One TRUE Curch] “Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone:”

No! I am not saying that. Matthew wrote that Jesus spoke “to the multitude” only in parables

BECAUSE this is true on WHAT basis do YOU claim to have the authority to determine when Jesus WAS amd WAS-NOT speaking in Parables? BASED on Mt 6:18-19, Jn 17:-17-20 & Mt 28:18-20 each being literal:shrug:.

No! I am not saying that. Matthew wrote that Jesus spoke “to the multitude” only in parables.

I hope I have answered all your questions. Please answer mine.
Can you show proof from the bible, and just the bible, that the
Quote:

“Spirit” & Soul" ARE one and the same

I’m NOT sure at THIS point that I can, because I have not received from you, you’re definition of the two terms. Provide a definition, and I’ll see what I can do. Also I fail to see the relevance of the question, WHICH MIGHT be because I don’t know what toy mean by these terms.

I will point out again though that NOT everything by GOD”S intent is actually to be contained in the Bible. READ please Jn 20: 31-33 & Jn 21: 24-25 for proof of this.

Easter Blessings my friend,

PJM

 

[PJM]

Yes with one exception. In Matthew 16 “rock” is not literal.

Yes.

Remember"communion" had not been “ordained” at the time Jesus said this. The multitude listening took it to “literally” to mean cannibalism and walled away. The apostles understood it to be a parable and stayed. They might not know the meaning but knew they would learn soon enough.

No! I am not saying that. Matthew wrote that Jesus spoke “to the multitude” only in parables.

I hope I have answered all your questions. Please answer mine.
Can you show proof from the bible, and just the bible, that the

I JUST reread your POST #758

And I agree that spirit and soul are biblically DIFFERENT, However they are NOT separate. “The Spirit” is the source of LIFE for ALL living things, especially the Soul. THAT my friend is the correct understanding of the bible references you shared.

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

Yes. As seen from the definitions above, it can have multiple meanings. We need to know what the “meaning” of soul is within the written Word of God; otherwise we are just throwing scriptural “proof texts” back and forth without going anywhere.

SOUL. The spiritual immortal part in human beings that animates their body. Though a substance in itself, the soul is naturally ordained toward a body; separated, it is an “incomplete” substance. The soul has no parts, it is therefore simple, but it is not without accidents. The faculties are its proper accidents. Every experience adds to its accidental form. It is individually created for each person by God and infused into the body at the time of human insemination. It is moreover created in respect to the body it will inform, so that the substance of bodily features and of mental characteristics insofar as they depend on organic functions is safeguarded. As a simple and spiritual substance, the soul cannot die. Yet it is not the total human nature, since a human person is composed of body animated by the soul.

”…and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless…(1 Thes 5:23).

REPLY

“Spirit” here can refer to the principle of life from God (#8 above), “soul” can refer to emotions and desires of the heart (#3 above). This is not “proof” of a third part of man

Haydock’s commentary. 1st Thess 5:23
“Ver. 23. Spirit, and soul. The former marks the understanding, the latter the will: hence these two terms give the two principal faculties of the soul”

Mt Henrey’s commentary
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

V 23 “Sanctify you” Our life goal must be to draw ever closer to Christ" Apparently Mr Henry .has NO issue of the Spirit and Soul being seperate funtions of ONE substance:shrug:

…piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart* (Heb 4:12)***

This is figurative language starting with speaking of the two edged sword. Figuratively the “soul” represents the joints and marrow, (the living body #1 above), and the “spirit” represents the thoughts and intentions of the heart, (#9 above). This is referencing judgment (verses 10-11) where the intentions of our actions will be laid bare. Good actions of the living body (soul), may have had bad motivations of the heart (spirit). God’s judgment will pierce through the appearance of good actions, and look at the heart and thus “separated”. (similar idea 1 Cor 4:5)

Haydock’s
“Ver. 12. For the word of God is living, &c. Some understand by the word of God, the eternal word, or Son of God: (to whom may apply all in the 12th and 13th verses) but others rather expound it of the words, promises, and menaces of God, either foretold by the prophets, or preached by the apostles. (Witham) — All this language is metaphorical, but perfectly well understood by the Jews. … Jesus Christ, like a two-edged knife, will separate what is for God, and what is for man; i.e. whatever is good or evil in the whole of man’s conduct” END.

Mt Henry "
.12 For the word of God is quick [or “alive”], and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart"

V #12 " 12 - Word of God is … powerful This is a precious verse. A prayerful study of the Word brings conviction…"

[REPLY:

Another way of looking at it is that they both refer to that which gives life (definitions #2 Deut 12:23, and #8 James 2:26). So, yes they can be separated which would bring about physical death

EXCELENT sunnary [PJM].

REPLY

”Behold all souls are mine….the soul that sins shall die” (Eze 18:4 & 20).

This is obviously in the context of eternal life or death (Compare with Romans 2:7-9). The book of Revelation speaks of this and even identifies it as “the second death

A correct explanation PJM

REPLY

**
As you noticed from the biblical definitions of soul and spirit they can both be used to mean the same thing in some instances. In fact in many places they are directly interchangeable. Compare the following:**

”My spirit

abides among you, fear not” (Haggai 2:5), compared to ”Be instructed, O Jerusalem, lest my soul depart from you” (Jeremiah 6:8).

”I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God” (Rev 6:9), compared to “…and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb 12:23) in the heavenly Jerusalem.

…that his spirit may be saved…”(1 Cor 5:5) compared with ”…will save his soul from death…”(James 5:20).

What is the spirit mentioned in 1 Cor 5:5 being saved from?

Perhaps this is meaning the same as “soul” in Matt 10:28. God can destroy the soul or spirit, but Matt 10:28 does not say that he will destroy it. We know from Rev 20:10 that they are tormented forever and we also know that that is where they go (Matt 25:41). They can’t be tormented if they are destroyed. Perhaps Matt 10:28 means that even though God created all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4), those who reject him will be “destroyed” or “cut off” from eternal life in heaven.

THERE’s the evidence that you ASKED be for POSTER bauchman

G B , PJM**

 

[PJM]

1 Thes 5:23
HEB 4:12
Ezekiel18:4
Ezekiel 18:20
Matthew10:28

All five CAN NOT be taken literally.

Yet!

John6:46-57 MUST be taken literally despite what Matthew 13:34 says.

Is this correct?
If so WHY.
Please no long drawn out proof or reproof.
Just answer from your heart.

All five CAN NOT be taken literally

1 Thes 5:23
“[23] And may the God of peace himself sanctify you in all things; that your whole spirit, and soul, and body, may be preserved blameless in the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ”

WHY can’t this be literal?.

HEB 4:12
“[12] For the word of God is living and effectual, and more piercing than any two edged sword; and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit, of the joints also and the marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”

AGREED this s metaphorical

Ezekiel18:4
[4] Behold all souls are mine: as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, the same shall die"

AGREED this too is metaphorical.

Ezekiel 18:20
[20] The soul that sinneth, the same shall die: the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and the father shall not bear the iniquity of the son: the justice of the just shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

AGAIN Metaphorical
Matthew10:28

**Yet!

John6:46-57 MUST be taken literally despite what Matthew 13:34 says.

Is this correct?
If so WHY.**

Please no long drawn out proof or reproof.
Just answer from your heart.

1. Because it is Gods Divine WIll that it be true
2. Because it is biblically proven to be true

Acts of Apostles 2:42
“And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of bread, and in prayers.”

1. Because history for 2,000 years has accepted, believed and practiced this belief as evidenced by the Catechism #1345

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
And Eucharistic Miracles

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html

1. Biblically testified too by FIVE DIFFERENT bible authors

Mt 26: 26-28
Mk 14: 22-24
Lk 22:17-20
John 6 :46-57
Paul 1st Cor, 11: 23-30
BUT most assuredly because its TRUE

JOHN 6: 57-58 GOD SPEAKING DIRECTLY ABOUT THIS TRUH

[56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him"

WHICH IS precisely what takes place in Catholic Holy Communion

1St Cor 11:

. [23] For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. [24] And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you:

[27] Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.

[29] For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.

HOW DEAR FRIEND CAN ANY OF THIS BE METAPHYSICAL OR PARABLES AND PROVABLE AS SUCH:shrug:

Easter Blessings,
Patrick

 

[PJM]

I have defined them from the bible.
Body: That part of “man” that came from the earth.
Spirit: That part of “man” that came from God.
Soul: That part of “man” that came into existence when the first two parts came together.
Ref: Gen 2:7

OK, thanks

**But the Soul is **

SOUL.** The spiritual immortal part in human beings that animates their body**. Though a substance in itself, the soul is naturally ordained toward a body; separated, it is an “incomplete” substance. The soul has no parts, it is therefore simple, but it is not without accidents. The faculties are its proper accidents. Every experience adds to its accidental form. It is individually created for each person by God and infused into the body at the time of human insemination. It is moreover created in respect to the body it will inform, so that the substance of bodily features and of mental characteristics insofar as they depend on organic functions is safeguarded. As a simple and spiritual substance, the soul cannot die. Yet it is not the total human nature, since a human person is composed of body animated by the soul. In philosophy, animals and plants are also said to have souls, which operate as sensitive and vegetative principles of life. Unlike the human spirit, these souls are perishable. The rational soul contains all the powers of the two other souls and is the origin of the sensitive and vegetative functions in the human being.

As evidenced in an eariler POST the terms are OFTEN interchangeable.

The Soul can be describe as that which animates ALL life-forms.

Just as in the animal kingdom MAN is the most complex and most worthy of all living things, SO TOO, man’s SOUL is the most complex and or greatest merit in the realm of Eternal-things CREATED by our God.

While “Spirit” and “Soul” HAVE different functions within the SAME thing; they are in a spiritual sense inseparable as the Spirit remains with the Soul which is Eternal. The Spirit animates the Soul, and in that sense they are ONE & the same, having ONLY different function. Amen

God Bless you

The practice of religious beliefs is termed FAITH, becaise God by intent withholds a certain amount of understanding PRECISELY to make us more reliant on HIM:thumbsup:

Body: That part of “man” that came from the earth

And USED BY GOD to Create the human body.

Spirit: That part of “man” that came from God.

It “ALL” comes from God & it ALL returns to God

Soul: That part of “man” that came into existence when the first two parts came together.
Ref: Gen 2:7

Gen 2:7
. [7] And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.’

Haydock
Ver. 7. Breath of life or a soul, created out of nothing, and infused into the body to give it life. (Haydock)

Mt Henry [Protestant commentary]
Ver 7 "God formed man From this fundamental verse, God tells us, in language we can understand, the origin of humanity. There was no evolution from primates and lower life forms.** Here, too, we find the meaning of “spirit” (also translated breath) and a primary meaning of “soul.” **

Easter Blessings,
Patrick

 

[blanchardman]

I JUST reread your POST #758

And I agree that spirit and soul are biblically DIFFERENT, However they are NOT separate. “The Spirit” is the source of LIFE for ALL living things, especially the Soul. THAT my friend is the correct understanding of the bible references you shared.

God Bless you,

Patrick

I think this is the closest we will come to agreeing on this issue. I agree with this statement. What we disagree on is “Can the spirit be separated from the soul?”
Or put another way;" Do you take Hebrews4:12 literally?" I do, you don’t.

 

[PJM]

I think this is the closest we will come to agreeing on this issue. I agree with this statement. What we disagree on is “Can the spirit be separated from the soul?”
Or put another way;" Do you take Hebrews4:12 literally?" I do, you don’t.

OK

I AGREE with the CC, you choose not too:shrug:

My sponger holds all the keys to heaven and the direct and exclusive MANDATE to teach God’s Faith…

What do you have my friend, backing your stance?

Easter Blessings,

PJM

 

[blanchardman]

OK

I AGREE with the CC, you choose not too:shrug:

My sponger holds all the keys to heaven and the direct and exclusive MANDATE to teach God’s Faith…

What do you have my friend, backing your stance?

Easter Blessings,

PJM

My faith in the Word of God.

 

[drac16]

Do priests provide spiritual counseling?

 

[PJM]

My faith in the Word of God.

Which dear friend is NOT the problem.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU HAVE MADE IT APPARENT THAT YOU DO NOT CORRECTLY UNDERSTAND IT, SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE AUTHORED IT YOURSELF. THAT IS THE END EFFECT:shrug:

MY FRIEND YOUR READING IT AN A MANNER SUITABLE TO WHAT YOU WHAT IT TO BE SAYING.

My friend have you ever been exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible? Which BTW is a Catholic Book.

Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage or teaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void or override another
Verse, passage or teaching:
Were this even the slightest possibility;[it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless to teach or lean Christ Faith”

2Peter 1: 19-21
And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Understanding this first, that no prophecy[Right comprehension] of scripture is made by private interpretation. [21] For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
[Douay explanation]

[20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one’s private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes

“Whenever something is good it does not depend on us getting our way, but on God getting His way, and whether we do God’s Will depends on us [humbly] loving God. Moreover to love God we must [actually] know God, [not just know OF God].” Bread of Life booklet January 9, 2016”[Mt 7:21]

2nd. Peter 3: 14-18
“Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen”

May God guide you

Blessings

Patrick

 

[PJM]

Do priests provide spiritual counseling?

They are specifically trained to do so:thumbsup:

THANKS for asking.

As a FYI, I offer a TOTALLY FREE HOME STUDY COURSE of E-Mailed Lessons. One per week.

I am a trained, tested, experienced Catholic Catechist [teacher] of our Catholic Fath. Send me a private message if I can be of help to you.

God Bless you,
Patrick [PJM] here on CAF

 

[spiderweb]

Originally Posted byblanchardman

Do you take Hebrews 4:12 literally? I do, you don’t

I think an important question is “did the readers that Hebrews was written to, at that time, take it literally or not?” When you write a letter to someone, you use words that the readers are familiar with the understanding of. If the author thinks that they may misunderstand what is written then an explanation is given to avoid a misunderstanding. Since no real explanation is given in Hebrews, the author assumes that the readers will understand his meaning. So what is the author assuming that they understand?..

Based on the rest of scripture, he is assuming they understand that…

Both are used as source of life (1 Kings 17:22, James 2:26).
Both are used as the seat of thoughts and emotions. Sometimes even using both in the same manner within the same sentence (Job 7:11).
Both are used in terms of being “lost” or “saved” (1 Cor 5:5, James 5:20)
Both are used in terms of “spirits/souls” without a body (physically dead), yet still alive and aware (Rev 6:9-10, 1 Peter 3:19-20).

He is assuming they understand that both spirit and soul are widely used as synonyms.

If the original readers of the Letter to the Hebrews understood 4:12 literally in the same way that you do, they would have to conclude that “this is something new”. But because there is no further explanation of this “new idea or teaching”, the only conclusion that they could draw from it is that he is not speaking literally of something new, otherwise he would not be a very good teacher.

If “spirit” and “soul” are two different “parts”, this is the only scripture that really supports that theory and as such it seems highly unlikely that that is what is being conveyed, especially considering the interchangeable usage throughout the rest of scripture. The scriptures themselves must be understood within the context of the whole, and not divided into parts. When taken as a whole, there is no distinction between the human soul and the human spirit in the Bible.

Very basic Catholic view:
Soul= life principle in any living physical body (plant, animal, or person).
Spirit= life principle that knows, loves, has power over matter (God, good and bad angels). It is utterly simple (i.e. cannot be divided into parts because it has no parts).

Human persons therefore have what we call a “rational soul”. It is a spirit that knows, loves, and has power over matter (to a limited degree), but also functions as a soul giving life and joined to a physical body. We have a soul that is a spirit. We have a spirit which is a soul. It is our spirit which is made in the image and likeness of God. In common usage we usually refer to the human “soul”, while God and angels are “spirits”. But we can also use them interchangeably in the same manner that the Bible does when referring to our soul or spirit .

 

[gazelam]

PJM,
I recently learned that venial sins are forgiven in the Mass. Given this fact, do you find that some Catholics make less of an effort to work on the small stuff/sins since those lesser sins are automatically forgiven without any effort on the part of the venial sinner? Thanks in advance.

 

[PJM]

I think an important question is “did the readers that Hebrews was written to, at that time, take it literally or not?” When you write a letter to someone, you use words that the readers are familiar with the understanding of. If the author thinks that they may misunderstand what is written then an explanation is given to avoid a misunderstanding. Since no real explanation is given in Hebrews, the author assumes that the readers will understand his meaning. So what is the author assuming that they understand?..

Based on the rest of scripture, he is assuming they understand that…

Both are used as source of life (1 Kings 17:22, James 2:26).
Both are used as the seat of thoughts and emotions. Sometimes even using both in the same manner within the same sentence (Job 7:11).
Both are used in terms of being “lost” or “saved” (1 Cor 5:5, James 5:20)
Both are used in terms of “spirits/souls” without a body (physically dead), yet still alive and aware (Rev 6:9-10, 1 Peter 3:19-20).

He is assuming they understand that both spirit and soul are widely used as synonyms.

If the original readers of the Letter to the Hebrews understood 4:12 literally in the same way that you do, they would have to conclude that “this is something new”. But because there is no further explanation of this “new idea or teaching”, the only conclusion that they could draw from it is that he is not speaking literally of something new, otherwise he would not be a very good teacher.

If “spirit” and “soul” are two different “parts”, this is the only scripture that really supports that theory and as such it seems highly unlikely that that is what is being conveyed, especially considering the interchangeable usage throughout the rest of scripture. The scriptures themselves must be understood within the context of the whole, and not divided into parts. When taken as a whole, there is no distinction between the human soul and the human spirit in the Bible.

Very basic Catholic view:
Soul= life principle in any living physical body (plant, animal, or person).
Spirit= life principle that knows, loves, has power over matter (God, good and bad angels). It is utterly simple (i.e. cannot be divided into parts because it has no parts).

Human persons therefore have what we call a “rational soul”. It is a spirit that knows, loves, and has power over matter (to a limited degree), but also functions as a soul giving life and joined to a physical body. We have a soul that is a spirit. We have a spirit which is a soul. It is our spirit which is made in the image and likeness of God. In common usage we usually refer to the human “soul”, while God and angels are “spirits”. But we can also use them interchangeably in the same manner that the Bible does when referring to our soul or spirit .

THANK YOU!
My friend here is what your dancing around

**My friend have you ever been exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible? Which BTW is a Catholic Book.

Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage or teaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void or override another
Verse, passage or teaching:
Were this even the slightest possibility;[it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless to teach or lean Christ Faith” **

2Peter 1: 19-21
And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. [21] For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.

[Douay explanation]
[20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one’s private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes

“Whenever something is good it does not depend on us getting our way, but on God getting His way, and whether we do God’s Will depends on us [humbly] loving God. Moreover to love God we must [actually] know God, [not just know OF God].” Bread of Life booklet January 9, 2016”[Mt 7:21]

2nd. Peter 3: 14-18
“Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen”

 

[PJM]

PJM,
I recently learned that venial sins are forgiven in the Mass. Given this fact, do you find that some Catholics make less of an effort to work on the small stuff/sins since those lesser sins are automatically forgiven without any effort on the part of the venial sinner? Thanks in advance.

YES,veniel

Indeed it is because Venial sins are soooooooo under-acknowledged that has led SOME to proclaim that one simply cannot sail Mortally , OR that sin itself is not a real possibility

And then of course the popular opinion of many Protestants that Sin no longer matters and Jesus Has ALREADY done all of the WORK necessary for forgiveness.

What venial sin does is WEAKEN our will, lessen our resolve, and makes Satan’s task much easier.

The OFF-SET to these effects is WORTHY reception of Catholic Holy Communion. And GOOD can trump evil.

Thanks for asking,

Patrick

 

[Moro_Rock]

A lot of talk,most of it not supported by scriptures.
And none of it answers my question.
You state “Therefore for Gen 1 to be correct man MUST have a “Spiritual reality” to emulate God.
I ask; of body, soul& spirit which do you think best fits your “Spiritual reality”?
Could it be that part that came from God?
Could the mind, intellect& freewill be connected to the the spirit?
The soul as I pointed out can die, be killed, destroyed. It is the soul of the saints who remain on earth at the second coming that must put on immortality.
Remember it is the spirit which returns to God. It still connected to the soul after “natural” death but alone after the"second death”.
The "Particular Judgment " you speak of would award immortality to those who are worthy.
It is at the “GENERAL-Judgment” that our works are judged and we are refined.

Hello, I’ve just come across this discussion about spirit, soul and body. Its a topic which has interested me too. Hope I’m not too late to comment. We are told that God is a Spirit. I remember having a discussion with someone who stated that man is a rational being. I tried to convince him that man, in fact, is a spirit which lives in a body. Some people turn it around and say that man is a body which has a soul or spirit. I think its important to define correctly. Man is a spirit being. The three aspects of man - Spirit, Soul and Body. My interpretation The highest part of man is his spirit. The spirit apprehends God
The soul responds to God in thoughts, words, emotions, and the body is the vessel of clay which contains the life of the individual and obviously the physical active element.
Regarding Judgement, I understand that we all undergo a judgement as soon as we die - the Particular Judgement. But at the end of time there will still be some people alive and the General Judgement would be the final curtain call , the winding up of history, the beginning of Eternity.
Hope this adds something to the discussion :tiphat:

 

[spiderweb]

Hello, I’ve just come across this discussion about spirit, soul and body. Its a topic which has interested me too. Hope I’m not too late to comment. We are told that God is a Spirit. I remember having a discussion with someone who stated that man is a rational being. I tried to convince him that man, in fact, is a spirit which lives in a body. Some people turn it around and say that man is a body which has a soul or spirit. I think its important to define correctly. Man is a spirit being. The three aspects of man - Spirit, Soul and Body. My interpretation The highest part of man is his spirit. The spirit apprehends God
The soul responds to God in thoughts, words, emotions, and the body is the vessel of clay which contains the life of the individual and obviously the physical active element.
Regarding Judgement, I understand that we all undergo a judgement as soon as we die - the Particular Judgement. But at the end of time there will still be some people alive and the General Judgement would be the final curtain call , the winding up of history, the beginning of Eternity.
Hope this adds something to the discussion :tiphat:

It is important to define correctly. When referring to the human soul or spirit, the Bible uses them interchangeably (see my previous post for a few of many examples). So where are you getting this definition of spirit and soul from?

Man is not a spirit being. A “spirit being” is pure spirit, like angels or God. A spirit being has no body and will never have a body (exception Jesus). We are not angels trapped within a body. We are created body and soul composite. It does not live in the body, it is fused to the body. It is what gives the body life. Seperate the body and soul means death.

 

[Moro_Rock]

It is important to define correctly. When referring to the human soul or spirit, the Bible uses them interchangeably (see my previous post for a few of many examples). So where are you getting this definition of spirit and soul from?

Man is not a spirit being. A “spirit being” is pure spirit, like angels or God. A spirit being has no body and will never have a body (exception Jesus). We are not angels trapped within a body. We are created body and soul composite. It does not live in the body, it is fused to the body. It is what gives the body life. Seperate the body and soul means death.

I posted an answer twice and both times the computer swallowed my post, I’ll post again later on. Thanks

 

[PJM]

Hello, I’ve just come across this discussion about spirit, soul and body. Its a topic which has interested me too. Hope I’m not too late to comment. We are told that God is a Spirit. I remember having a discussion with someone who stated that man is a rational being. I tried to convince him that man, in fact, is a spirit which lives in a body. Some people turn it around and say that man is a body which has a soul or spirit. I think its important to define correctly. Man is a spirit being. The three aspects of man - Spirit, Soul and Body. My interpretation The highest part of man is his spirit. The spirit apprehends God
The soul responds to God in thoughts, words, emotions, and the body is the vessel of clay which contains the life of the individual and obviously the physical active element.
Regarding Judgement, I understand that we all undergo a judgement as soon as we die - the Particular Judgement. But at the end of time there will still be some people alive and the General Judgement would be the final curtain call , the winding up of history, the beginning of Eternity.
Hope this adds something to the discussion :tiphat:

My friend, WELCOME!

To get up to speed here you may wish to go back a page or 2 and see what has been discussed:thumbsup:

God Bless you

PJM

 

[drac16]

They are specifically trained to do so:thumbsup:

THANKS for asking.

As a FYI, I offer a TOTALLY FREE HOME STUDY COURSE of E-Mailed Lessons. One per week.

I am a trained, tested, experienced Catholic Catechist [teacher] of our Catholic Fath. Send me a private message if I can be of help to you.

God Bless you,
Patrick [PJM] here on CAF

Thanks for the offer :tiphat:. I wasn’t looking for counseling, though. I was just curious.