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jlhargus
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Either way it’s taken salvation would be lost when an infant comes of age and sins. Contradicting eternal security.
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pablope
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Anyway…hope your not tired answering questions yet.
So…here is one more.
Since you mentioned delving into Scripture…what have you learned about Catholic interpretation of Scripture?
Do you find it reasonable/out of kilter
D)?Where do you find areas of agreement/disagreement?
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jlhargus
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I would say used to build the most beautiful all the new ones I see in the U.S. anyway are auditoriums.
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Vonsalza
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I suspect the result of modern secularist society creeping into the paradigms of the building commissioners and architects.
The old church buildings weren’t gorgeous merely for the sake of pride and vain-glory. The people of the community wanted outsiders to come into town as say “Gasp! What is that glorious structure? It must be the most important building in town!”
“It is. That’s where we worship our God”.
An idea not so compatible with secular paradigms…
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steve93
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Hitler was an Austrian Catholic.
The pope, knowing well of the Nazi’s atrocities failed to excommunicate him.
The church was openly pro-fascist in Italy, the Balkans, Spain, etc.
A Lutheran Germany would never had sided with Francoist Spain. That is evidence of a Catholic coup.
A Lutheran Germany would not have murdered the Great Lutheran thinker, Dr. Dietrich Bonehoeffer.
Their invasion of the cccp was a repeat of the attacks of Teutonic Catholic invaders. The naming of this by the Germans themselves (Barbarossa) and the Soviet comparison in film between the current war and the Teutonic Order vs Nevsky battle makes this apparent.
The idea that the murder of the jews was conceived by protestants makes no sense. Remember who invited the jews back into England? Cromwell.
The pope, knowing well of the Nazi’s atrocities failed to excommunicate him.
The church was openly pro-fascist in Italy, the Balkans, Spain, etc.
A Lutheran Germany would never had sided with Francoist Spain. That is evidence of a Catholic coup.
A Lutheran Germany would not have murdered the Great Lutheran thinker, Dr. Dietrich Bonehoeffer.
Their invasion of the cccp was a repeat of the attacks of Teutonic Catholic invaders. The naming of this by the Germans themselves (Barbarossa) and the Soviet comparison in film between the current war and the Teutonic Order vs Nevsky battle makes this apparent.
The idea that the murder of the jews was conceived by protestants makes no sense. Remember who invited the jews back into England? Cromwell.
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twf
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Modern scholarship demonstrates that Pope Pius XII worked tirelessly to save Jews, inviting Jewish refugees into the Vatican itself… he fought a subtle war against Hitler “behind the scenes”. Openly moving against him would have a) sparked greater retribution against the Church in Nazi occupied territories and b) increased the odds of Hitler directly taking out the Vatican.
There was a documentary on History or National Geographic recently, one of those two can’t recall now, entitled simply Pope vs Hitler.
You also fail to note that Pope Pius XI, in the years before the war, solemnly condemned the National Socialist movement and reminded the Catholic world that we are all “spiritual Semites.”
Your assertion that Hitler was Catholic is no more relevant than the fact that Stalin was Orthodox.
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jlhargus
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lanman87
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Obviously, both Catholics and Protestants filter scripture through the lens of their particular theology.
Anyway…hope your not tired answering questions yet.
So…here is one more.
Since you mentioned delving into Scripture…what have you learned about Catholic interpretation of Scripture?
Do you find it reasonable/out of kilter
Where do you find areas of agreement/disagreement?
It not either reasonable or unreasonable. It is just different.
There are a lot of areas that Catholics and Protestants agree. Pretty much everything about who Jesus is and why He came is in agreement. Of course, both uphold the doctrine of the Trinity.
To me, the big areas of disagreement are Apostolic Succession and Sacred Tradition. All the other major differences, IMHO, stem from those disagreements.
Anyway, I’ll be away from my computer for the next couple days. I’ll check this thread when I get back online.
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USMC_Convert
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My father said one of the things he found most impressive about Catholicism was the fact that every Catholic Church has the same scripture readings every day no matter where they are in the world.
So here is my question, how do SB’s pick the scripture they talk about during their services?
So here is my question, how do SB’s pick the scripture they talk about during their services?
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StuMondo
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- Why is there no evidence for clear continuity of explicit Baptist theology going back to the time of Christ? Like, why can i find writings of Catholics writing about Catholic theology for the past 2000 years but I can’t find Baptists writing about Baptist theology for the past 2000 years? 2) conditional — But, if indeed there does exist evidence of 2000 years of explicit Baptist theology in antiquity and I just haven’t been exposed to it, or heard about it, where might I find it? 3) Lastly, where in history does evidence for explicit Baptist theology first show up (outside of the bible, of course, as I’m sure that’s how you’d like to respond! Hehehehe) and who is the author?
- Roll tide or War eagle?
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drac16
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Do you believe in “Once saved, always saved”?
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Church_Militant
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The vast majority of mainstream Baptists do indeed teach OSAS/Eternal Security of the Believer. If you are asking if Baptists believe that then the answer is yes.
However, we Catholics do not believe such a thing as it is unscriptural.
Yes, Christians Do Have an Assurance—but Not an Absolute Assurance—of Salvation
I would also point out that it contradicts Revelation 3:5 which says,
“The victor will thus be dressed in white,*** and I will never erase his name from the book of life but will acknowledge his name in the presence of my Father and of his angels.".
If salvation means ones name being written in the book of Life and right here Our Lord Jesus Christ specifically says that He will erase some names from it then that clearly states that one can lose ones salvation.
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Church_Militant
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Depends on who’s playing that day. Tide and War Eagles against everyone else but ND and against each other …War Eagle!
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Church_Militant
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That comes from the Pastor of each particular congregation. TTBOMK there is no Baptist lectionary. Keep in mind that their services are anything but liturgical.
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twf
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This thread is already 10 pages. The OP is one lone Baptist answering all of our questions. The OP has already addressed your question earlier in the thread. While it takes a bit of time, I think it’s only common courtesy that we all verify whether our question has been answered before posting.
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adamhovey1988
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I think I do have a question, come to think of it. I will let you answer your other questions first because twf made a good point. I sponsored a former Baptist that came into the Church and he said that during the reading of the Gospel in his old Baptist church they would stand does your congregation do that? I have many apologies if you’ve already answered this.
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GKC
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Not attempting to answer for this gentleman, who is doing yeoman work, but as a SB, baptized and raised,until around age 18, when I drifted to where I am today, I never saw a SB service in which anyone stood for the Gospel, or any other Biblical reading. Most often standing was for singing.
I do not assert anything, as of SBs, generally. I am too cautious for that. I look forward to lanman87/s reply, in due course.
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adamhovey1988
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I am too, I mean Baptist churches being what they are and being congregational in polity I imagine that it would vary church to church. I remember when I lived in the Midwest we stood for hymns but I don’t believe that we had stood for gospel readings. I mean this was a long time ago so I could not possibly remember everything I remember the long preaching though. I hate to sound rude because the preachers were actually really sweet but not all Baptist preachers are Dynamic I’ll leave it at that. I’ve never actually been Baptist we used to go with some friends of our family.
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PJM
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I have two questions for you my friend,
- Have you per chance read the book by this FORUMS founder: Karl Keating?
It is by far the best in its class IMO
- As you are so well informed; I have asked this question multiple times without any answer; perhaps you can explain it?
God Bless you you, and thanks for joining CAF!
Patrick
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lanman87
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Each Pastor chooses what scripture is read/taught on any given Sunday. There may be something happening in the congregation that needs addressed or he may feel compelled by the Holy Spirit to teach a particular passage of scripture.
Many pastors are now preaching though entire books of the Bible. My church has been going through Genesis since last fall. We took a few weeks off for a Christmas series and a couple of weeks for Easter, but otherwise we have been in Genesis.
Scripture is also read in conjunction with songs. If we are doing a particular worship song that was based on scripture someone reads that scripture before the song.
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