Do you have to believe Marian dogma to be a good Catholic?

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Cal_Fullerton said:
I think we’ve been here before, but are you a Calvinist? My name may be Calvin but I’m not a Calvinist, although he was a great man of God—John Calvin, not me!
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No, I’m not. I haven’t read anything by John Calvin, but to the degree that he has taught things consonant with what the Apostles taught, I give him a 👍!
 
Cal_Fullerton said:
I believe he gave us the Holy Spirit to clean up such confusion. Jesus said to his disciples that it was better for them if he go away so that he can send the Holy Spirit (paraphrase).
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I read this somewhere:

Most non-Catholic sects declare that the Holy Spirit is “teaching” them the truth. However, there can be only one truth. Since the advent of Sola Scriptura and individual interpretation of Scripture,** how can the Holy Spirit be in each of the thousands of sects, teaching all of them opposing viewpoints? **It is to be noted that all of the following denominations teach from the same Bible, so why the differences in teaching?
  1. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans the Eucharist is the true presence of Christ, and then tell the Baptists it is only a symbol?
  2. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Methodists it is alright to have female ministers, and then tell the Baptists it is unbiblical?
  3. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Seventh-Day Adventists that Saturday is the day of worship, and then tell the Presbyterians the day of worship is Sunday and not Saturday?
  4. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans that the Blessed Virgin Mary was and remains always virgin, and then tell the Baptists she had other children?
  5. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Baptists, “once saved always saved”, and then tell the Church of Christ that Sola Fides is unscriptural?
  6. How can the Holy Spirit tell Episcopalians to baptize infants and then tell Pentecostals infant baptism is invalid?
  7. How can the Holy Spirit tell Mormons that the Holy Trinity is three separate persons, and then tell Methodists the Trinity is three persons in one GOD? home.inreach.com/bstanley/reform.htm
If we don’t take the time to get intimate with the Lord so that we can sense his leading, we will be deceived one way or another—the devil will see to it! There is no short cut.
And really, the “long” road is far more fun!
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“See you” later.
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On this, we are agreed, Cal. 🙂
 
I believe to fully understand Jesus, you need to understand his mother. There are certain dogma’s in the faith that are required to be a Catholic, but others are still under review from the church, such as terms of the title Co-redemptrix. If you interested we had a Catholic discussion from our parish going over some of this: justmyconcerns.com/index.php/reflections/ , select the doc titled: “Mary’s Role of the Mystical Body”

God Bless
 
justmyconcerns said:
I believe to fully understand Jesus, you need to understand his mother. There are certain dogma’s in the faith that are required to be a Catholic, but others are still under review from the church, such as terms of the title Co-redemptrix. If you interested we had a Catholic discussion from our parish going over some of this: justmyconcerns.com/index.php/reflections/ , select the doc titled: “Mary’s Role of the Mystical Body”

God Bless
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PRmerger said:
Marian teachings have been part of the Deposit of Faith from the earliest days of the Apostles. They can be found, implicitly, the the NT (and, actually, prefaced in the OT), and taught by the ECFs and continuing through the entirety of Christian history.
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So it is written down.
What are the ECFs? The Evangelical Conferences Foundation? 😃
 
PRmerger said:
I read this somewhere:
  1. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans the Eucharist is the true presence of Christ, and then tell the Baptists it is only a symbol?
  2. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Methodists it is alright to have female ministers, and then tell the Baptists it is unbiblical?
  3. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Seventh-Day Adventists that Saturday is the day of worship, and then tell the Presbyterians the day of worship is Sunday and not Saturday?
  4. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans that the Blessed Virgin Mary was and remains always virgin, and then tell the Baptists she had other children?
  5. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Baptists, “once saved always saved”, and then tell the Church of Christ that Sola Fides is unscriptural?
  6. How can the Holy Spirit tell Episcopalians to baptize infants and then tell Pentecostals infant baptism is invalid?
  7. How can the Holy Spirit tell Mormons that the Holy Trinity is three separate persons, and then tell Methodists the Trinity is three persons in one GOD? home.inreach.com/bstanley/reform.htm
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Because “now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror” (1 Cor. 13:12).
 
If I recall correctly, Linda Marie said earlier that praying to Mary empowers her. How so? (Anyone can answer.)

God bless my precious Catholic brothers & sisters!
 
justmyconcerns said:
I believe to fully understand Jesus, you need to understand his mother. There are certain dogma’s in the faith that are required to be a Catholic, but others are still under review from the church, such as terms of the title Co-redemptrix. If you interested we had a Catholic discussion from our parish going over some of this: justmyconcerns.com/index.php/reflections/ , select the doc titled: “Mary’s Role of the Mystical Body”

God Bless
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Mary’s role as co-redemptrix is not “Under review.”

It is not dogma and so does not require the assent of faith, but it is an orthodox and long standing doctrine.

It will become dogma when it is sufficently challenged, either from outside of the Church or from within.

-Tim-
 
Cal_Fullerton said:
If I recall correctly, Linda Marie said earlier that praying to Mary empowers her. How so? (Anyone can answer.)

God bless my precious Catholic brothers & sisters!
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No, it wasn’t me. I just went back and checked all my posts. Praying through Mary helps me to get closer to Christ. I don’t see prayer invoking saints or the Blessed Mother to be prayer to them per se, but rather through them and with them.

May God bless and keep you.
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Cal_Fullerton said:
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Because “now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror” (1 Cor. 13:12).
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So we can’t know the truth about whether baptism saves or not? Or the truth about whether God wants women to be ordained or not? Or the truth about whether we are truly OSAS? Or whether Sunday is the day of worship or the Sabbath?

Or whether Jesus is truly God? :eek:

This is, with all due respect to your position, quite a lame paradigm, if you’re going to say, “All the chaos and confusion of the above questions PR listed is really something we’ll have to live with until we can know the truth in heaven!”

The Catholic position is that the Truth is knowable, and that the Truth will set you free!!
 
Arizona_Samson said:
Greetings AMB!

Where in God’s infallible word does He instruct us to pray to the “blessed mother” or any other deceased person?
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Try this

catholic.com/video/praying-to-mary-a-biblical-defense

13And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

3And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand. 5And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Full Question

According to 1 Timothy 2:5, the only Mediator between God and us is Jesus. So, isn’t Mary’s and the saints’ intercession unbiblical?
Answer

Not at all. Look closely at what 1 Timothy 2:5 really says: Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. Because Jesus was the God-Man, only he can be the Mediator, the one who is between. Between men and the Father, there is the Son. This doesn’t undercut our belief that the saints in heaven intercede for us because these saints, too, are men; they are members of mankind. Thus, we (men) ask them (men, too) to pray to the one Mediator (Jesus) in order to find favor with the Father.

Mary be one of those Saints.
 
Arizona_Samson said:
Good afternoon PR,

Yet we find absolutely nothing about an immaculate conception or assumption of Mary in the “Faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.” Jude 3

We know the Apostles didn’t proclaim any of the Marian dogmas since they are not found in their writings, simply because these 'developments" didn’t come about until centuries after the last of the Apostles had died.
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catholic.com/tracts/immaculate-conception-and-assumption
 
Arizona_Samson said:
When you have the time will you kindly directly me to these Scriptures please?

Mods please accept my apologies if asking this question in here is veering this discussion off topic. As a newbie here that is the last thing I wish to do, so if there is a more appropriate thread for discussing praying to the saints and Mary I’d appreciate a nudge in the right direction.

Thanks and God bless. 🙂
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catholic.com/magazine/articles/any-friend-of-god-is-a-friend-of-mine
 
Cal_Fullerton said:
400 years is a long time. I’m comforted by the fact that the Bible was written toward the beginning of the 400 and not toward the end of it!

You aren’t telling me that the great institution of the Catholic Church is relying partly on 2,000 year old oral traditions that have never been written down, are you? PLEEEASE don’t tell me that! Oh, my God! :eek:
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According to scholars, more than 2500 years went by since Creation before the first books of the Old Testament were written by Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy).

If 400 years of oral tradition worry you, I wonder what 2500 years will do to you.

Me worry? No. Luke 1:37 “With God nothing is impossible.”

Seems to me you are leaving God out of the scene.
 
Cal_Fullerton said:
If I recall correctly, Linda Marie said earlier that praying to Mary empowers her. How so? (Anyone can answer.)

God bless my precious Catholic brothers & sisters!
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Now, I could explain how it would be how it is that I might consider you a brother or sister. All families has points of origin. Explain how it is you see Catholic’s as brother’s and sisters?
 
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