Without unnecesarily committing to the conditions effecting salvation and without disagreeing with the condition you put forward, I will simply say that the fact that Christ died for the sins of all mankind means that the possibility of salvation for every single human has existed since the Crucifixion. At the same time however, we recognize that not everyone has been actually saved to eternal life (Hell’s population is not fixed: it is growing) and so we recognize that eternal life requires something in addition to Christ’s work on our behalf.
Did you forget verse 10 “For we are his hadiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the **GOOD WORKS **that God has PREPARED in advance that we SHOULD live in them.”
John I still see no QUANTITATIVE separation of reward in this statement. Please re-read my previous sentence and come to understand why the word QUANTITATIVE was added to it.
Please let the record show that John’s rebuttal fails to invalidate my conclusion which he attempted to respond to. He has not invalidated either premise of the syllogism and he has not demonstrated that the conclusion is not a result of necessity from the premises. He has chosen instead to go off on a tangent without clearly demonstrated how it relates to the original topic. I will use his post to bear fruit nonetheless. Unfortunately I cannot post now…
Interesting - so everyone who goes to Hell has an equal punishment for the one sin of rejecting Christ, correct?
You know this is very interesting because most baptist I know use this very verse to prove to me homosexuals are going to hell. without geting to far off topic do they go to hell or not John? Just a yes or no answer would be good. keep inmind that Paul was showing ghis humility and Paul in no way belives the same as you Paul even realised he can lose his own salvation. Paul in no way believed that his sins are worse than these of prostitutes… but did realise that he may comit a sin worth damnation.
Dear Friends,
As Turtullian so wisely said… the fruit of salvation is repentance. Which is what I have been trying to convey.
Paul didn’t think so…
Without getting too far off topic… those baptists, if they are preaching that a homosexual is going to hell whether they are saved or not… they are preaching an entertaining sermon, but not a very biblical one. To answer your question, I can’t say yes or no to generally say that all homosexuals are going to heaven or hell.
Hmmm. Our bodies presented to God “by faith”? Sounds a lot like good works to me. What EXACTLY do you mean here. Are you EQUATING good works done by the Christian cooperating with Gods Will by Gods Grace as “faith”?
Since you have written articles about Tertullian and referenced him frequently, I looked up his work, “On Repentance”. Can you tell me what is going on here in Chapter 9 because what he is describing as repentance sounds like a lot more than just “a changing of mind”?
A very good chance because he REPENTED of his sin. Thank you for bringing this most relevent fact up! We are back on target! The difference is that Paul repented of his sin and thereby accepts Christ on His terms; those who choose not to, are choosing to reject Christ and will not be saved. Again, this is one of the most fundamental realities of Christianity.
I can make no sense of this. I can however, say that Paul felt compelled to preach the Gospel which proves he didnt beleive everyone was saved.
Tertullian’s point here is that one’s recognition of Christ is also recognizing one’s self as sinful. Nothing there that contradicts the Catholic position at all.
Hmmm. Is that what this says? Lets see.
Was is not Paul who said to PICK UP OUR CROSS DAILY
Surely what you really mean, is to say, and indeed be, sorry, and ATTEMPT to sin no more.