Do you honestly believe that voting for someone pro life and anti same-sex marriage will make a difference?

[Robert_Sock]

What’s the use, it will not change anything. Abortion and same-sex marriages are carved in stone and will not change in the near future no matter which politicians are elected for office. Better to engage in peaceful prayer then to get your feathers ruffled.

 

[Spencerian]

What’s the use, it will not change anything. Abortion and same-sex marriages are carved in stone and will not change in the near future no matter which politicians are elected for office. Better to engage in peaceful prayer then to get your feathers ruffled.

Robert, I’m not sure if your statement is intentionally baiting or your specific opinion, but I will take a bite and state my opinion.

Sinful actions must always be challenged by the faithful, through charity and love. This is our calling as the faithful. It’s not a matter we must leave solely to the clerical body.

Christ didn’t just talk to His disciples. He often set them away to speak to people and *interact *with them as well as commune in prayer. Being a Christian is not merely relegated to acts of prayer alone.

This is why we pray while standing at abortion centers. We pray as we walk in the March for Life rallies in D.C. and elsewhere. We may* pray as we cast our votes* for better legislators and officials that follow moral and ethical policies that may also follow Catholic teaching. We pray for our attorneys and provide them resources as they defend religious freedom in the courts. We pray and send money to Mother Angelica and EWTN and Catholic Answers and many other ministries to help them continue their work.

Remember that God invented the stone which you claim that such questionable laws and practices are written. Mankind has chiseled many a worldly claim into such stones, real and actual.

And God is witness to the destruction of these past and dead fragments of mankind’s dead claims, destroyed because immorality cannot inherently stay as a synthetized foundational norm for a society before society itself eventually fails and crumbles. Ancient Rome had these issues, too. They are no more.

We cannot merely pray. Through the Holy Spirit, we must also, and always, act in some capacity.

 

[estesbob]

What’s the use, it will not change anything. Abortion and same-sex marriages are carved in stone and will not change in the near future no matter which politicians are elected for office. Better to engage in peaceful prayer then to get your feathers ruffled.

Yes- A person who supports abortion is morally unfit to hold a position of leadership at any level.

The only people I see asking this question are Democrat Catholics trying to rationalize their vote to support evil

 

[onenow1]

What’s the use, it will not change anything. Abortion and same-sex marriages are carved in stone and will not change in the near future no matter which politicians are elected for office. Better to engage in peaceful prayer then to get your feathers ruffled.

It can if everyone would get involved and realize the truth of the matter. It seems not enough right minded people think about it at all.

God Bless

 

[estesbob]

It can if everyone would get involved and realize the truth of the matter. It seems not enough right minded people think about it at all.

God Bless

Can’t we peacefully pray and oppose pro-abortion politicians?

 

[onenow1]

Can’t we peacefully pray and oppose pro-abortion politicians?

Of course we can and do, remember God required action of Moses and His people, I don’t think He has changed His opinion.

God Bless

 

[Glomung]

What’s the use, it will not change anything. Abortion and same-sex marriages are carved in stone and will not change in the near future no matter which politicians are elected for office. Better to engage in peaceful prayer then to get your feathers ruffled.

It makes no difference whether I feel that my votes will change things. I need to make the right votes for my own sake. The world may burn, but I’m not going to be adding gasoline to the fire.

 

[SonSearcher]

I think you are onto something…and if that is the logical conclusion I would counter to the OP that it will indeed make a difference if you do.

With-holding your vote in a democratic constitutional republic like this is like refusing to do your civic duty and God is relying on you to do so.

So with that being said that you should indeed vote regardless of outcome, we as Catholics should be voting per our Catholic conscience in the light of our faith. Our common faith mind you not some moral equivalent or relativistic faith.

 

[madtom]

I tend to agree with Ron Paul on these issues. As a pro-life libertarian he argued at one of the 2012 presidential debates that abortion laws are really irrelevant because you can’t legislate morality. what we need to do is change people’s hearts and minds, not try to force them into compliance. I don’t completely agree that laws are useless because they at least send a message, but what good is it to make abortion illegal again if people will continue performing them anyway? so, would it be nice to have a pro-life candidate that campaigns on the issue, wins, and works to change current law? sure it would. but the OP’s point is taken. that’s not enough to truly make a difference.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

What’s the use, it will not change anything. Abortion and same-sex marriages are carved in stone and will not change in the near future no matter which politicians are elected for office. Better to engage in peaceful prayer then to get your feathers ruffled.

1. How does voting ‘get your feathers ruffled?’ We are in this current mess precisely because good men failed to act in time to stem the tide of moral degradation.
2. Are you saying this is an either/or proposition?

 

[SonSearcher]

1. How does voting ‘get your feathers ruffled?’ We are in this current mess precisely because good men failed to act in time to stem the tide of moral degradation.
2. Are you saying this is an either/or proposition?

Bingo bango…underline, bold, italics…I include myself in this massive failure of conscience and action.

 

[pianistclare]

YES. We can’t sit idly by and shrug our shoulders as if to say " what difference will it make?"

It won’t make ANY difference if we sit back and do nothing.
If all the professed Christians and Catholics stood up and said NO to many of these issues, it WOULD make a difference.

To do otherwise is irresponsible.

 

[punisherthunder]

**100% yes in voting for them

**A priest told me once that even if a candidate is so-so on social issues, if they are pro-choice then you must ALWAYS vote against them. ****

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

What’s the use, it will not change anything. Abortion and same-sex marriages are carved in stone and will not change in the near future no matter which politicians are elected for office. Better to engage in peaceful prayer then to get your feathers ruffled.

Robert, old sport…People once said that Prohibition was “carved in stone.”

I propose a toast to those enlightened elected officials who will gladly overturn legalized abortion and same sex marriage.

 

[Patti_M]

Robert, please believe me when I say that voting prolife does make a difference. Here in Texas we have seen so many abortion clinics close as a result of it. It has truly been a blessing for many of us to see these clinics not only close in our home towns but in one case become a prolife clinic!!!

 

[estesbob]

I tend to agree with Ron Paul on these issues. As a pro-life libertarian he argued at one of the 2012 presidential debates that abortion laws are really irrelevant because you can’t legislate morality. what we need to do is change people’s hearts and minds, not try to force them into compliance. I don’t completely agree that laws are useless because they at least send a message, but what good is it to make abortion illegal again if people will continue performing them anyway? so, would it be nice to have a pro-life candidate that campaigns on the issue, wins, and works to change current law? sure it would. but the OP’s point is taken. that’s not enough to truly make a difference.

Supporting abortion does not happen in a vacuum. It is a sign of a serious character defect A person this morally deficient should not be trusted with any position of leadershipp.

 

[madtom]

Supporting abortion does not happen in a vacuum. It is a sign of a serious character defect A person this morally deficient should not be trusted with any position of leadership[p.

I think that may be over-simplifying. someone may support abortion not because they are morally deficient. it may be because they have never been confronted with a strong enough argument against it, or simply never gave it much thought because they live in a society that condones it. but in terms of politics, yes, I tend to agree with you. I do view support for abortion as a character flaw when deciding whether or not to vote for a candidate. Regardless, that doesn’t really get to the heart of what I was saying. the point being made is that voting for pro-life candidates, and even the actual changing of law is just not enough. We have to work to change the morality of the American people to make a difference.
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[ProdglArchitect]

Robert, please believe me when I say that voting prolife does make a difference. Here in Texas we have seen so many abortion clinics close as a result of it. It has truly been a blessing for many of us to see these clinics not only close in our home towns but in one case become a prolife clinic!!!

It’s too bad some activist judges blocked the sanitary conditions requirements we passed. That would have closed down almost all of them! I really don’t see how people can still buy into the rhetoric that planned parenthood cares about women, if they did then they wouldn’t object to needing to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital in the event that something goes wrong.

 

[estesbob]

I think that may be over-simplifying. someone may support abortion not because they are morally deficient. it may be because they have never been confronted with a strong enough argument against it, or simply never gave it much thought because they live in a society that condones it. but in terms of politics, yes, I tend to agree with you. I do view support for abortion as a character flaw when deciding whether or not to vote for a candidate. Regardless, that doesn’t really get to the heart of what I was saying. the point being made is that voting for pro-life candidates, and even the actual changing of law is just not enough. We have to work to change the morality of the American people to make a difference.

Its not oversimpyfying anything. How could one possible vote someone who believes it is acceptable for a woman to pay someone to kill their child. I can not think of a better way to change the hearts and minds of politicians than refusing to vote for someone who supports this intrinsic evil.

Again it doesn’t matter whether the candidate can do anything or not. we simply should not associate ourselves in any way with a politician who holds such despicable views.

Certainly this is a case when Canon 915 must be applied. This is a person who obstinately, after repeated admonitions, persists in a grave sin — cooperating with the crime of procured abortion — and still professes to be a devout Catholic. This is a prime example of what Blessed John Paul II referred to as the situation of Catholics who have divorced their faith from their public life and therefore are not serving their brothers and sisters in the way that they must — in safeguarding and promoting the life of the innocent and defenseless unborn, in safeguarding and promoting the integrity of marriage and the family.

What Congresswoman Pelosi is speaking of is not particular confessional beliefs or practices of the Catholic Church. It belongs to the natural moral law which is written on every human heart and which the Catholic Church obviously also teaches: that natural moral law which is so wonderfully illumined for us by Our Lord Jesus Christ by His saving teaching, but most of all by His Passion and death.

To say that these are simply questions of Catholic Faith which have no part in politics is just false and wrong. I fear for Congresswoman Pelosi if she does not come to understand how gravely in error she is. I invite her to reflect upon the example of St. Thomas More who acted rightly in a similar situation even at the cost of his life.

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Cardinal Burke

 

[madtom]

Its not oversimpyfying anything. How could one possible vote someone who believes it is acceptable for a woman to pay someone to kill their child. I can not think of a better way to change the hearts and minds of politicians than refusing to vote for someone who supports this intrinsic evil.

Claiming that we shouldn’t vote for someone who is pro-choice is not an oversimplification. In fact, I agree with you on that. I felt this specific statement spoken in general, however, is an oversimplification: “Supporting abortion does not happen in a vacuum. It is a sign of a serious character defect.” I do not believe that everyone that is pro-choice has a character defect. Many of them may be morally deficient, but I also believe many are simply uneducated, people whose hearts can be changed.