Do you know Catholics who function in the 9 ministry gifts, in 1 cor 12,14

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Non catholics seem to dominate the 9 gifts of the h.s, do u know any Catholics, who have signs following, mark:16: 15, 20
 
1pppp said:
Non catholics seem to dominate the 9 gifts of the h.s, do u know any Catholics, who have signs following, mark:16: 15, 20
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Your verse is about speaking in tongues, snake handling, lay hands on the sick, etc. Yes, there are Catholics who do this. Catholics cast out devils in exorcisms and we lay hands on the sick. The drinking of poison, handling snakes and speaking in tongues aren’t something we do in Mass or that is common.
 
The 700 club (Non catholic) daily has people testimonials, of healings, and prophetic words
 
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The 700 club (Non catholic) daily has people testimonials, of healings, and prophetic words
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There are some Catholics who believe and have done these things around the world such as healing but it is not something that gathers much attention as we tend to be more conservative. We have the Mass, the sacraments and most importantly the Eucharist. I have been to a healing retreat before and the Priest did lay hands and speak about tongues as these things and quoted in this verse. So, it can and should happen and we believe Peter is the first pope and he healed the lame (in Acts) so it can and does happen. Most Catholics are a bit averse to the “holy roller” shakes that you see on the 700 club but in charity and love Jesus did tell us these signs would accompany evangelization per your bible scripture selection. I think all Christians should believe these signs accompany evangelization however the time and place is of God’s choosing not ours. I believe it is to happen in places where the signs are necessary for the conversion of non Christians. I don’t necessarily buy that just because we ask for healing we will be healed and speaking in tongues and snake handling would only manifest themselves if God wanted them to at that particular time for a particular reason such as when the apostles spoke in tongues and others heard them as if they were speaking in their own language.
 
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The 700 club (Non catholic) daily has people testimonials, of healings, and prophetic words
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I think Catholics would tend to be more cautious about Prophetic Words. The test of a prophecy is whether it comes to pass (Deuteronomy 18:21-22). We would believe in testing the spirits as it says in 1 John 4:1-3 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they, are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
The church itself would discern this–not the individual.

Being in the Protestant Charismatic movement myself for many years, there seems to be so many who say they have a “word from the Lord.” Do they really? So many believe every “word from the Lord” that they hear. I myself have heard a few “words from the Lord” from various “prophets” that just weren’t true.
 
God gave many gifts in the early Church that the people might believe. He still gives those gifts as he sees fit to bolster those who have doubts. Assuming all that claim the gifts actually do have them, it is possible that many churches where those gifts manifest need them because their faith flags. Perhaps they are communities filled with the doubts of Saint Thomas and can only believe if they are constantly reminded of God’s power. 🤷

Remember Catholics take it on faith that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist, so does God need to provide miracles to a people who accept His presence in such a unique way? We have to remember that the gifts are not for us or our human concerns, but rather to evangelize and bring people to faith in Christ.
 
1pppp said:
The 700 club (Non catholic) daily has people testimonials, of healings, and prophetic words
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Autumn_Smoke said:
I think Catholics would tend to be more cautious about Prophetic Words. The test of a prophecy is whether it comes to pass (Deuteronomy 18:21-22). We would believe in testing the spirits as it says in 1 John 4:1-3 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they, are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
The church itself would discern this–not the individual.

Being in the Protestant Charismatic movement myself for many years, there seems to be so many who say they have a “word from the Lord.” Do they really? So many believe every “word from the Lord” that they hear. I myself have heard a few “words from the Lord” from various “prophets” that just weren’t true.
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I wanted to clarify my post: if it sounded like I was disparaging this gift, that was not my intent. I think it’s a beautiful gift which the Holy Spirit uses to build up the church. I was just saying discernment in definitely needed here.
 
We believe the Apostolic gifts ceased with the end of the Apostles;
1st Corinthians 13:8-13
"8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

King James Version (KJV)"

Signs and wonders were worked to reach the Gentiles and the Jews during the time of the Apostles. The offer of the Kingdom to the Jews ended with Paul in Acts 28. We live in the dispensation of Grace, the Mystery revealed to Paul by Christ, Ephesians 3:1-21.

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I know Catholics who can forgive sins, change bread and wine into the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord, who can heal the sick, who can join a sinful person to the Body of Christ, who can call upon the Holy Spirit to fill a person, and who can appoint successors to continue the work of the apostles, all in the name of Jesus Christ and that of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
 
1pppp said:
Non catholics seem to dominate the 9 gifts of the h.s, do u know any Catholics, who have signs following, mark:16: 15, 20
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Some points, rooted in Mark 16:15-20:

(a) The Catholic Church played a massive, massive role in evangelizing the whole world;

(b) The Saints have lived lives that are not only perfectly conformed to Christ, but they most certainly have worked miracles as well;

(c) The interpretation of the verses you mentioned, when seen in a Pentecostal context, leads to the sort of snake handling preacher that not only is anti-reason, but which becomes a source of scandal towards non-believers;

(d) How do you suppose many Protestants interpret verse 16a in the section of Scripture you quoted? Certainly not remotely as literally as they interpret some of the other verses that form that verse’s context. Why do you think that is? Why does “he who believes and is baptized” not mean what it seems to say? Do you think they’re truly deriving their theology from these Scriptures, or are they merely imposing their theology onto the Scriptures?

(e) Exorcising demons has been a component of Catholic ministry for centuries and centuries, and the reaction of the demons to things like the Eucharist itself is evidence that should not be set aside lightly. No Protestant denomination fulfills the notion of “casting out demons” like the Catholic Church does, and we should ask ourselves why she seemingly has that sort of authority.

(f) Why do you interpret Christ to say, “And these signs will always accompany those who believe in every generation and unto the end of time?” What is in the text that makes you think that? And are those words not merely a presupposition that, once again, some have imposed onto the text? Be honest here with yourself. What makes you sure that Jesus was intending to speak of every believer here, and not merely of those disciples who were to initially spread the Gospel? And why don’t all serious, Bible-believing, God-honoring, Spirit-filled Protestants answer that question in the same way?
 
Wesrock said:
I know Catholics who can forgive sins, change bread and wine into the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord, who can heal the sick, who can join a sinful person to the Body of Christ, who can call upon the Holy Spirit to fill a person, and who can appoint successors to continue the work of the apostles, all in the name of Jesus Christ and that of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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👍 Well said. I know Catholics like that too!~
 
MaryT777 said:
👍 Well said. I know Catholics like that too!~
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Me too… I visit with them weekly.

It is my personal opinion that most who “actually” have the gift to heal do it in a very inconspicuous and private manner manner. It is not a spectacle that is performed on a stage of a television show while asking for money. If they can heal on demand like they portray on some of these TV shows, why are they not in the hospitals working their way from patient to patient, hospital to hospital?
 
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