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We are. That Catholic church is extremely biblical.Be a fan of the bible!
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or mohammed , and a Joseph Smith and etc.
**You limit Jesus and God to some little so called holy area or put them in a box, what a shame to the gospel of Christ.**I don’t know where you get off saying that we do anything in the name of the pope or religion. What Catholics do, we do in the name of thr Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. You’re dead wrong here and again, you need to close the mouth and open the eyes and ears.
You make a lot of statements, and again you don’t know anything about what goes on among Catholics. If this is going to be the nature of most of your posts here at CAF, I fear you may be on the short term membership plan since it’s pretty offensive to allege all this stuff that is simply not true.
Yeah it is, and that’s one reason that you need to back up off that anti-Catholic rhetoric and then start to actually find out what is going on in the Catholic Church, that, as I’ve already pointed out, you are unaware of. We’ve been doing spiritual warfare for 2,000 years and long before the reformation or any of their modern descendants (like you) came along.
But you wouldn’t know that and so far as I can tell you don’t even care because you seem to want to preach your rhetoric rather than discuss or learn what is happening in our most holy faith.
Like I said, be still, and listen, and learn. You see…Jesus is busy here.
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I think that you are reading to many Jack Chick tracts. I mean that comment as no offense to you, just an observation. Your above statement shows a lack of knowledge of the Catholic faith.
Catholics believe that Jesus is everywhere, just as Protestants do. He is in our hearts and homes and everywhere. We also believe that we can physically touch him on this earth, something that Protestants do not believe.
The tabernacle keeps the consecrated hosts, the physical presence of Christ. But we do not believe that we have him locked away there.
If you are really interested in witnessing to Catholics(although this is unnecessary as we are Christians) shouldn’t you learn what we actually believe? By the way, you are not allowed to evangelize on this forum.
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UOTE=LilyM;1600072]How can it even be possible tht the Bible trumps everything else when for decades not a single word of it had been written, and all the Church had to go on was oral tradition and consensus?
And when the bible wasn’t completed for a good 70 odd years after Christ’s death and wasn’t set in its contents until about the fourth century?
It’s not like the Bible fell down all complete in a neat little package from heaven you know! Christ founded a Church (not dozens of em disagreeing on EVERY point of doctrine - that’s nonsensical), he didn’t write a book.
Jesus even said for decades that it is Written to satan so the written Word was used bfore the church.
Paul wrote also almost the whole new testiment.
But there was enough written Word to follow without a complete written bible.
Really the bible is promises and faith for those who follow Jesus , and not a church organization, or society.
And when the bible wasn’t completed for a good 70 odd years after Christ’s death and wasn’t set in its contents until about the fourth century?
It’s not like the Bible fell down all complete in a neat little package from heaven you know! Christ founded a Church (not dozens of em disagreeing on EVERY point of doctrine - that’s nonsensical), he didn’t write a book.
Jesus even said for decades that it is Written to satan so the written Word was used bfore the church.
Paul wrote also almost the whole new testiment.
But there was enough written Word to follow without a complete written bible.
Really the bible is promises and faith for those who follow Jesus , and not a church organization, or society.
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Thern doing all those things above that you mention is true religion, or religious.
Sorry that I stand on the bible so much and use the bible to back up my faith.I have more of a bible doctrine , than some church or man made doctrines.
I guess I am too spiritual. I 'll try to be more carnal for you.
1Co:2:13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
God is the one who direct us instruct and teach us what to do and how it is to be done , and that can only be done in His perfect will the bible.
Testing God is testing God at His promises from the bible , like the scripture on Healing, prosperity , authority, powers, Holyness,love ,obedience, and faith that we can use with the bible to see if God hold to His Word, which is like testing and proving all things as the bible teach bible Christians to do.
BTW , no one even a pope is without sins, but I am still righteous according to the bible and to God because of Jesus .
Unless someone thinks Jesus is unrighteous.
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I thought you are more Catholic following of the CCC, or magisteriums, and Council of treat follower than the bible, because it is claim only a pope can understand and interpretate the bible which catholic are forbidden to do, by your rules and church laws under legalism?
But correct me if I am wrong.
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I thought you are more Catholic following of the CCC, or magisteriums, and Council of treat follower than the bible, because it is claim only a pope can understand and interpretate the bible which catholic are forbidden to do, by your rules and church laws under legalism?
But correct me if I am wrong.
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Part one
Some people can’t accept truth, some build up a hate block when some else doesn’t agree.
I have only been studying Catholism for over 6 years, and maybe I need more time to agree with things I have reseach not to be true , and specially is not biblical.
I have proven my side and can prove what I say is in order and in the will of God with the bible.
Sorry if it seems like I am offensive, and it might seem so to some people , but that is mostly common by all who reject what ever someone else belives is true.
Some people can’t accept truth, some build up a hate block when some else doesn’t agree.
I have only been studying Catholism for over 6 years, and maybe I need more time to agree with things I have reseach not to be true , and specially is not biblical.
I have proven my side and can prove what I say is in order and in the will of God with the bible.
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part 2
Some people can’t accept truth, some build up a hate block when some else doesn’t agree.
I have only been studying Catholism for over 6 years, and maybe I need more time to agree with things I have reseach not to be true , and specially is not biblical.
I have proven my side and can prove what I say is in order and in the will of God with the bible.
Sorry if it seems like I am offensive, and it might seem so to some people , but that is mostly common by all who reject what ever someone else belives is true.
Some people can’t accept truth, some build up a hate block when some else doesn’t agree.
I have only been studying Catholism for over 6 years, and maybe I need more time to agree with things I have reseach not to be true , and specially is not biblical.
I have proven my side and can prove what I say is in order and in the will of God with the bible.
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We follow those and the Bible. Those sources don’t teach things that contradict the Bible, properly understood.
I thought you are more Catholic following of the CCC, or magisteriums, and Council of treat follower than the bible,
That’s not a claim of the Catholic Church.
We’re not forbidden to interpret. Most of the doctors of the Chuch (i.e., theologians who’ve interpreted the Bible and whose views are important to the Church) were not popes. The only thing Catholics are forbidden to do is to elevate our own interpretations above the interpretation of the Church.
You stand corrected
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But my interpretations work, and they are faithful , and manifest, so I must be doing something right and demons and satan hate my interpretations.
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JeremyWe follow those and the Bible. Those sources don’t teach things that contradict the Bible, properly understood.
That’s not a claim of the Catholic Church.
We’re not forbidden to interpret. Most of the doctors of the Chuch (i.e., theologians who’ve interpreted the Bible and whose views are important to the Church) were not popes. The only thing Catholics are forbidden to do is to elevate our own interpretations above the interpretation of the Church.
You stand corrected
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The reason why Evangelist mentioned was not that he picked something to shun Catholic, even i myself saw some of the threads here in this forum that they are Catholics who claimed that only the Pope have the authority to interpret the bible, the rest (protestant) does not have such privileage and what so ever interpretation the some protestant has with the guidence throught Holy Spirit is also not true. Because Catholics will always argue that how would Holy Spirit gives different interpretation to different group of pple!!! To what i know, if we read bible for twenty over time, the message to you will be different each and everytime you read it, addressing to different issues you face in lifes. How would bible interpretation be forever the same!!! If that’s the case, i would rather say God never give revelation to such churches!!!
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Wonderful if you have seen good things come from your work!
Within the Catholic church there are miracles also. WHen a miracle is committed though, the Church takes an unusual position. It tries to debunk the miracle! If it can not, and only after serious study, is an act considered a miracle
I’m certain that demons and satan hate the Catholic Church, also.
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deb1
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You have stated a common misconcepton of the Catholic Church.
I thought you are more Catholic following of the CCC, or magisteriums, and Council of treat follower than the bible, because it is claim only a pope can understand and interpretate the bible which catholic are forbidden to do, by your rules and church laws under legalism?
But correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, we can interpretate certain sections of the bible. Take Genesis, for example, the Church has said that we must believe that the soul didn’t evolve and that there was a fall. Other then that we are free to view the biblical account of creation however we see fit.
I have been in Protestant churches, whose pastors claim that only their interpretation of the bible is correct and that anyone who disagrees with the pastor is not a Christian. I see this behavior as being no different then what we Catholics are accused of practicing.
Let me say here that I know that most Protestants are not so hardlined. The ones most likely to accuse the Catholic church as not being free enough with personal interpretation are the ones most likely to be very strict with what they view as the correct way to interpret bible verses.
I hope all that made sense.
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Thanks for that your commit and for pointing out those errors.
I have again posted I have studied the Catholic belief , and even talked to many catholic scholars about what they do and why.
But I have heard also there are some weak and un educated Catholics as well as protestants, not knowing really about their belief and teaching.
But I Have very good resource to back up what I say from their ccc, and a good resource to prove what they can , and have twisted is evidence from this site.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This webite or sourse is very good to be used against any religion or belief , which will show what the historical , and facts about the information you are looking for , and the it will back you up on good educated and factual grounds.
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You have me wrong on this again!Wonderful if you have seen good things come from your work!
Within the Catholic church there are miracles also. WHen a miracle is committed though, the Church takes an unusual position. It tries to debunk the miracle! If it can not, and only after serious study, is an act considered a miracle
I’m certain that demons and satan hate the Catholic Church, also.
I am not talking about a miracle, I am talking about the faith that works.
They are two different issues.
Miracles are not promised to us, but faith and God Word is a promise to us and will not turn void, so it must work everytime for sure, unless God is a liar.
Healing is a process, not a miracles!
But before I continue , please don’t convict me of teaching, as many do when they are caught in an error on Catholic boards, I am just correcting what is wrong, and something we both can see the error together here.
Faith is not a miracle, as you might think according to the bible.
But because the belief in someone faith might be great , the manifestation brought out into this world might look like a miracle , because this world does not understand the spiritual way , and principle of faith.
Heb:11:1: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb:11:2: For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Heb:11:3: Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Heb:11:4: By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Heb:11:5: By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Heb:11:6: But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Heb:11:7: By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Heb:11:8: By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
But when people don’t use the bible The Words of faith , of cource biblical faith won’t work , but using the bible in the correct way, brings the same manifestations like above with all bible led Christians, or anointed ones who have Jesus or better to say the power , and authority in us to connect to our faith.
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Have you researched and study bible led Charismatic Pentecostals?
Have you study maybe the WOF movement and what they believe and why?
I am asking this because you have stated you know, and have knowledge of prostestant beliefs, so I am just checking on your resource, and what you realy know about us, because I see already some errors again in what you quoted as being a protestant teacher and evangelist.
But how much power and authority do you use , if any?
What is the Jesus in you allowed to do?
Can the Jesus in you raise the dead, heal the sick?
Last question do you believe personally that Jesus lives in you and uses you as His tools to do whatever Jesus want, when you let HIM???
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And how much if any of the Bible (OT or NT) do you think Abel, Enoch, Noah and Abraham had available to them? Barely a single word. Did they have faith? Certainly. In God and in his WORD (Jesus Christ and his saving power - in anticipation of his coming) which are much more important than the ‘words’ that have been written down or told to us in the Bible
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God can speak to us in many ways do you know that???
tHERE IS SOMETHING BEHIND IT WHEN jESUS SAY VERILY; VERILY ; IT IS WRITTEN ; THAT THE ORAL!
Do you what to try to make the today Word of God lesser than the oral Word of God??
the Written Word of God has priority over any oral Word of God!
That is why it is the final authority, and that final authority give us faith and powers and authority.
The fact is knowing God Words, oral or written , but the faith Words coming from God , and knowing God Spirit, to obey.
God can speak to us in many ways do you know that???
tHERE IS SOMETHING BEHIND IT WHEN jESUS SAY VERILY; VERILY ; IT IS WRITTEN ; THAT THE ORAL!
Do you what to try to make the today Word of God lesser than the oral Word of God??
the Written Word of God has priority over any oral Word of God!
That is why it is the final authority, and that final authority give us faith and powers and authority.
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