Do You Know How Bad the Dechristianization of Europe Really Is?

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With all due respect, I am speaking of Scandinavia where practicing Catholics are thin on the ground. I was making the parallell example of the earlier situation in Lutheran Scandinavia. The overall topic of this thread is the dechristianisation of Europe.
And I stand by my opinion - making people attend mass or service they do not care about or do not wish to attend is - at best - counterproductive. It’s a failsafe route to make people flee and/or despise organised religion.

Whether you believe Catholics have the true Eucharist or not is beside the point I was making. Naturally I don’t quite agree with you, but that is also beside the point of this thread.
And with all due respect, you were opposed to being as you say forced to go to Church on Sunday. I was merely showing you why Catholics are to go to mass on Sunday. Go back far enough in your Scandinavian history, and your country WAS Catholic. As far as the thread, when people stop practicing their faith, what then does “one” point to for convincing others they are still even Christian?

As James said, a said faith is a dead faith… So is that another way of saying a dead faith has become Dechristianized? Or is it only applicable to describe people not of the Christian belief, over populating Europe?
 
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It would be interesting to be both a time traveller and mind reader in this regard, I reckon most people instinctively follow the path of least resistance and some who were regular mass goers a past era wouldn’t be in the modern world.
 
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It is an art form in reaction to the problem we are discussing.
This the what fear Christians preoccupied with traditional family values.
 
Wishing back the norms of a different era will always be futile though.
 
May I suggest reading the following

Here is why Catholics are obligated to go to Mass on Sunday and other holy days
  1. Why it is NOT a suggestion to meet on Sunday it is a command from God
  2. The Eucharist is a holy meal
Catholics have the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
yes very true, although not sure what point in the conversation it satisfies.
 
This is not the fear, this is reality. And you should be afraid.
In fact, if you stop at the 2013 graphic you should be afraid, as it depicts the extinction of the family.
The couple is portrayed with 2 dogs rather than children. And gay union is portrayed alongside marriage.

Please note…without more children the human race does not exist. Does that make sense?

This is already happening in places where the birth rate will not sustain the culture.
God gave us numbers, and numbers are not God, but they are real, and numbers can be an unforgiving thing.
 
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May I suggest reading the following

Here is why Catholics are obligated to go to Mass on Sunday and other holy days
  1. Why it is NOT a suggestion to meet on Sunday it is a command from God
  2. The Eucharist is a holy meal
Catholics have the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
yes very true, although not sure what point in the conversation it satisfies.
I commented on

what SnowRose posted

“This was the overall situation in Lutheran Scandinavia. Mandatory presence for weekly mass, mandatory questioning on the smaller catheces, notes from one parish to another on how obedient and ”Christian” you were if you moved. We’re 100-120 years into the reaction to that oppression here. Quite a number are quietly religious but no one (except the weird fringe) wants it back into the public, state-sanctioned life. If anything, faith is intensely private and unspoken, like an underground river. What I’m trying to say is that public and personal faith are not the same thing. And a warm body/headcount at mass means little.”
 
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We spend about 5 months a year in a village in Italy, it has about 1200 people. At Mass, I’d say there’s never more than about 100 people in (the enormous) church, and with the exception of the music group (all young women), the congregation is elderly - I’m probably one of the youngest and I’m nearly 60. The priest is an old man, too. There are 5 churches in the village and four of them simply aren’t used and are usually locked up.
When there’s a baptism or wedding (which are always just incorporated into the regular Mass), the church is much busier, of course.

The difference between Italy and my parish in England (from my point of view) is that the younger Italians identify nominally as Catholic and are respectful of the faith - they just don’t attend Mass. In England, it would be more likely for a younger adult who was baptised Catholic to say they had no religious faith. And of course, with Catholicism being the official religion in Italy, public buildings still display a crucifix and the carabinieri walk with the priest and the Mayor on the regular processions through the village to mark various events in the Church calendar.

Having said that, Christmas and Easter are still very busy times in my parish in England, and the church will be crammed-to-the-rafters full - usually, it’s at least half-empty. So at some level, people are still observing the faith of their childhood.
 
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I agree.

A lot of Irish people seem to have either a cynical attitude towards Catholicism or a hearty contempt towards the Church.
 
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