Do you pity the damned?

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I dreamed that I rejected the crucifixion of
Christ on the Cross for man-kind’s sins and
DARED NOT face God the Trinity b/c of
my damnable sin, thinking it is TOO LATE
and that I committed the unpardonable sin,
but that was satan’s LIE, I woke up, acknow-
ledged my sin and felt… Free “and you shall
know the Truth, and the Truth will make you
Free” John 8:32; 16:13
 
vz71 said:
Your assuming a reason for not leaving the cage that we have no evidence for.
Perhaps she will not leave the cage because she belongs there.
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So then she prefers or enjoys to be where she belongs. But, of course no one chooses to be tortured. Not even the masochists crave actual suffering. They only like simulated torture, for fun. The people in the Philippines have themselves crucified to emulate Christ’s suffering, but they also “chicken out” when the emulation becomes too painful. I would suggest to leave them up there until they will scream to be taken off.

There is no evidence for the cage and there is no evidence for hell either, and some people still believe it.
 
vz71 said:
She has totally rejected God and accepts her eternal plight over admission of her own sin.
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I believe you have used the wrong tense. She HAD rejected God and this was her punishment.

There are three reasons for punishment.

Firstly as a deterrent. You show everyone what is likely to happen to you if you break the rules. That obviously doesn’t work in the case of hell because it seems not to prevent anyone from doing wrong. And even when they do wrong, they can simply repent and avoid punishment. That’s like murdering someone, apologising to the judge and getting let off.

Secondly, to protect people from the rule breakers. Put them away and they can do no more wrong. That obviously doesn’t work in the case of hell because you are already dead when you go there.

Thirdly, as retribution. It satisfies our sense of justice. Which is purpose which hell is meant to serve. But show me a person who thinks that the woman in the cage deserves the torment she is suffering and I will show you a sadist. I will show you a person without an ounce of compassion. I will show you a person beyond evil.
 
HabemusFrancis said:
I do. I have read all of what Hell is and like, not only the fire and demons, but the utter hatred,cruelty and complete lack of love that permeates the place.

I actually pity the damned and cant help but think Id like to help them in some way, even if it is impossible and indeed forbidden by God.

There is no living human being who is in more dire straits and more abhorred than the damned. Is it wrong to feel this way?
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24:7:365 I pity them
 
Yeah, I do. The way to Heaven was presented to them, but they chose to go the other way. Romans 1 says that unbelievers are without excuse. It’s hard to not care about someone in Hell; these are fellow human beings who are unique, gifted in many ways and they have likes and dislikes, unique personalities, etc. With that said though, eternal Hell is necessary. A wicked lifestyle must be punished with unending suffering because of who it is you’re sinning against; an infinitely Holy God.

People in Hell may hate God, but they’re blaming themselves because the way to Heaven was handed right to them and they rejected it. They will curse themselves throughout eternity.
 
Bradski said:
It’s not just a wicked lifestyle that will get you there. It is a single act.

Justice? Don’t make me laugh…
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Where does the Bible say that one sin deserves Hellfire? I’m not aware of any.

EDIT: there is one, and that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. That’s hardly a light matter, though.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
So then she prefers or enjoys to be where she belongs. But, of course no one chooses to be tortured. Not even the masochists crave actual suffering. They only like simulated torture, for fun. The people in the Philippines have themselves crucified to emulate Christ’s suffering, but they also “chicken out” when the emulation becomes too painful. I would suggest to leave them up there until they will scream to be taken off.

There is no evidence for the cage and there is no evidence for hell either, and some people still believe it.
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You assume logic where there is no evidence of such.

Our own literary history is replete with examples of people torturing themselves rather then any number of things.
 
vz71 said:
You assume logic where there is no evidence of such.
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Opps, my mistake to overestimate the rationality of the concept of hell. Indeed, there is no logic in it.
vz71 said:
Our own literary history is replete with examples of people torturing themselves rather then any number of things.
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In fiction everything is possible. 😉
 
dshix said:
This point of view is not consistent with Catholic belief. Why would God create Hell if it has no purpose? Do you believe that Satan is not in Hell? If you believe that Satan is damned, why wouldn’t you consider it possible for humans also to go to Hell.

Remember that God possesses all the virtues perfectly. He is infinitely merciful, but He is also perfectly just. Should a soul choose to reject God, it would be unjust for God to force that soul to be present before Him in Heaven.

Amusingly, what you declare to be something that only “nincompoops” would say is exactly the truth. Souls who have rejected God would suffer more by being in the presence of God for one instant than by being eternally separated from Him.

This is because God is perfect, and it is extremely painful for any person who has a single blemish on his soul to be in God’s presence. This is why Purgatory is a great mercy: souls there get the opportunity to wash away all sins and imperfections so that they may eventually live in the presence of God with perfect happiness. The damned, on the contrary, don’t want to be cleansed, and don’t want to repent, and don’t want to love God.
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Being eternally separated from G-d rather than being forced to be in His presence against one’s will, as an indication of G-d’s justice and mercy, is one thing; but being eternally punished physically, emotionally, and spiritually for making the wrong choices in this life is, to my mind, quite another. Since I, a mere mortal, can feel pity for those who made such temporal choices in this earthly life and thus suffer eternal punishment, how, I wonder, can a Supreme Being not feel so much more pity for such humans, whom He created from the dust with an eternal soul? Would not then eternal separation from Him be enough punishment, minus the torture, which even most of us humans condemn as unjust and unmerciful behavior toward our worst enemy, whom Jesus commanded that we love?
 
HabemusFrancis said:
I do. I have read all of what Hell is and like, not only the fire and demons, but the utter hatred,cruelty and complete lack of love that permeates the place.

I actually pity the damned and cant help but think Id like to help them in some way, even if it is impossible and indeed forbidden by God.

There is no living human being who is in more dire straits and more abhorred than the damned. Is it wrong to feel this way?
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The pity you feel now will vanish after this life and you are in heaven. Any abhorrent feeling you have now will vanish after this life and you are in heaven.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
Right. And the truth is that there is absolutely no evidence for hell. And the truth is that eternal torture is hideously sadistic. 😉
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We have God’s word. That is sufficient.
We also have first hand testimony from various saints.

Seems odd that you would be concerned with the eternal nature of something you claim to not believe in.
 
o_mlly said:
The pity you feel now will vanish after this life and you are in heaven. Any abhorrent feeling you have now will vanish after this life and you are in heaven.
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So the first thing after getting into heaven would be a total brainwashing and erasing all our values and value systems - changing us into something new (:rolleyes:). And don’t try to say that looking at God would change our attitude.

Why not do it here on Earth? Down here the so called good, decent people feel sorry even for those who are responsible for their own misfortune. And some are even willing to help. They do not say: “nyah, nyah, you sure deserved what you got”.
 
vz71 said:
We have God’s word. That is sufficient.
We also have first hand testimony from various saints.
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Unfortunately, most of us have never had the opportunity to have a one-to-one conversation with God. How wonderful it would be. 🙂
vz71 said:
Seems odd that you would be concerned with the eternal nature of something you claim to not believe in.
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Why is it odd? I feel sorry for those poor suckers who are tortured by the constant awareness of their “unworthiness”. You might call them overly scrupulous, but the fact is that they are tortured by their own preconceptions. They are scared of hell, they are afraid of the eternal torture. If only they would start to think for themselves, and realize that “hell” is incompatible with a loving God, they would be much better off. So I am concerned, because I feel sorry for them.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
So the first thing after getting into heaven would be a total brainwashing and erasing all our values and value systems - changing us into something new (:rolleyes:). And don’t try to say that looking at God would change our attitude.
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A gaining of knowledge is hardly brainwashing.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
Unfortunately, most of us have never had the opportunity to have a one-to-one conversation with God. How wonderful it would be. 🙂
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But many have, and they left their own testimonials.
And we also have the first hand testimony from various saints.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
Why is it odd? I feel sorry for those poor suckers…
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It is odd that you would be so concerned about the eternal nature of something you claim to not believe in.

It strikes me as disingenuous that you claim a concern for people whose beliefs you hold in such contempt.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
Why not do it here on Earth? Down here the so called good, decent people feel sorry even for those who are responsible for their own misfortune. And some are even willing to help. They do not say: “nyah, nyah, you sure deserved what you got”.
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Are you proposing those in heaven are mocking those in hell?
 
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