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rcwitness
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Timothy says the Church IS the support of Truth. So what does the Church say about His Eucharist?
Do you place as much emphasis on His Eucharist as you do the Bible?
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wmscott
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And so it goes when ones personal interpretation is applied, so where is the Church in that, where is the pillar and bulwark of the truth then.
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alwayswill
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using the the context of the Greek in 1 Tim
all believers are the ekklesia: there are no unbelievers in the ekklesia
The Church (ekklesia; ALL believers) are called to uphold and support Christ and the word of God.
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rcwitness
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You are quickly losing me here. How does all this have to do with the original question, and how you chose to put more emphasis on Scripture than His Eucharist?
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alwayswill
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not at all:
you’re right: I should not follow other posters questions down the rabbit holes.
Unless you ( the tread starter) bring up a different subject: I’ll refrain from responding to all other topics.
sorry
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HelenRose
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The Eucharist is Christ. The Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord and Savior. He is food for our life. He is food for our hope. He is food for our soul.
"Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” John 6:53
If He was speaking metaphorically, why did so many of His disciples leave Him? Why did He let them go if He did not mean it literally?
To place emphasis on Scripture is to place emphasis on the Eucharist. They are one and the same.
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Michael68
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I’m sorry. I wasn’t trying to derail the thread. I was pointing out that the sacrifice of the Mass, Eucharist, was foretold in Malachi 1:11
I added that in 1Timothy 3:15 the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, not the bible since the bible came from the Church.
Sorry for any confusion
I added that in 1Timothy 3:15 the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, not the bible since the bible came from the Church.
Sorry for any confusion
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wmscott
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So in the terms of many Protestants…“Personal Relationship With Christ”… how much more of a “Personal Relationship With Christ” can one get than to receive Him in the most Holy Eucharist Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.
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rcwitness
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No problem. I just would like to hear the connection of your original choice to place more emphasis on Scripture than His Eucharist.
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alwayswill
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The importance of the Eucharist compared to Scripture is directly related to whether or not it is propitiatory.
If Communion actually .appeases the wrath of God, that would make a huge difference in its importance.
It would literally be on the same level of Christ going to the Cross.
That’s why I ask
Was the Last Supper propitiatory?
Is the wrath of God appeased at Communion?
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LutheranScholar
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I don’t, as a matter of fact, but I do feel a lack when I don’t approach the Throne of Grace on Sundays for the Body and Blood.
It has an adverse effect on my week and yes, my faith does feel diminished…
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rcwitness
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Why though? Is Scripture Propitiatory?
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alwayswill
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Scripture is not propitiatory :
But Scripture does lead to this:
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:13
Where do we find the written words so that we may believe the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.?
We find “these things” in Scripture: And that is why we emphasize Scripture over Communion.
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MaryT777
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jtav
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I grew up Southern Baptist. There isn’t a great emphasis on the Lord’s Supper, though we were encouraged to examine our conscience and not participate if we had some unrepented sin. We used grape juice. Nothing happened then. We didn’t believe Christ was present in any but a spiritual sense. It was something we did because Jesus told us to.
Bible reading was way more important.
Bible reading was way more important.
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rcwitness
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Communion is not a tool to convince one to believe but for believers (who already believe) to devote to honoring and loving Him and keeping us united to Himself and our brothers.
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Peter_J
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I’ve noticed, however, that Protestants frequently use the words “the Church” to mean the Catholic Church.
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alwayswill
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" . . . this sacrifice is truly propitiatory," (CCC, 1367).
“If any one saith, that sacrifice of the mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving; or, that it is a bare commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice; or, that it profits him only who receives; and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, pains, satisfactions, and other necessities; let him be anathema.” (Trent: On the Sacrifice of the Mass: Canon 3);
Catholics maintain that the he Eucharistic offering at Mass is propitiatory as well as the the Last Supper was propitiatory.
I reject that the the Last Supper was propitiatory, and therefore the Eucharistic offering at Mass is propitiatory,.
Personally, I consider it near heresy to suggest that the Last Supper actually appeased the wrath of God.
To me , It diminishes Christ’s work on the Cross in un-measurable ways to say appeasement/ atonement/ propitiation was made at the Last Supper
Others may not feel as strongly.
However; if believed the Catholic view is true, then yes; I would place as MORE emphasis on His Eucharist as I do the Bible.
It is my goal here to explain the Reformed view as much as possible.
Do I speak for every Non-Catholic? of course not.
But it seems that many Catholic here may not be aware that many of us (Reformed Protestants) do have reasoned answers for the faith we have.
I know we disagree: but I hope to accurately present the “other side”
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rcwitness
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Ok. So you don’t give your devotion to His Eucharist as much emphasis as Scripture, because you don’t believe the Eucharist is an actual connection to the Body of Christ which suffered for our sins?
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alwayswill
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I don’t believe the Eucharist **is the actual Body of Christ **which suffered for our sins
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