Do you prefer the OF or EF of Mass?

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Of course. Same as eating meat on Fridays. It was still and is still considered a noble practice on all Fridays in the year, not just Lent.
 
Yes, that is very true.

Also the Eucharistic fast, it’s still encouraged to fast from midnight the night before.

The minimum requirements and canonical obligations have changed, but the exhortation to maximum piety and devotion remains.
 
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My opinion is that then Pope Benedict XVI, made a grave political error by allowing the full use of the LTM, just to compromise with members of SSPX.

For one, it did little if anything to bring those members back into full union with Rome. Those who did come, did not come peacefully.

Second, it has only caused division among the faithful in the Church.
If you doubt this, consider the post’s in this thread which is now up to 320.

Jim
 
“just to compromise with members of SSPX”

If you actually read and comprehend SP, you will appreciate it isn’t just about the SSPX.
 
Cardinal Sean O’Malley who was on the commision working with SSPX, said the Pope’s allowance for the full use of the TLM was a compromise in the hope of getting them to come back in full union with Rome.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Second, it has only caused division among the faithful in the Church.

If you doubt this, consider the post’s in this thread which is now up to 320.
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Long before Benedict came down with his proclamation, there was already a lot of controversy and division about this in a lot of quarters. Although today, just like before, most Catholics never see or think about Latin Mass.
 
True, but Pope Benedict’s decision only added fuel to the fire.

Jim
 
I have, but you also have to read the Pope’s letter to the Bishop’s explaining his reasons.

Read

LETTER OF HIS HOLINESS
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS ON THE OCCASION OF THE PUBLICATION
OF THE APOSTOLIC LETTER “MOTU PROPRIO DATA”
SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM
ON THE USE OF THE ROMAN LITURGY
PRIOR TO THE REFORM OF 1970

Here’s part of it;
Afterwards, however, it soon became apparent that a good number of people remained strongly attached to this usage of the Roman Rite, which had been familiar to them from childhood. This was especially the case in countries where the liturgical movement had provided many people with a notable liturgical formation and a deep, personal familiarity with the earlier Form of the liturgical celebration. We all know that, in the movement led by Archbishop Lefebvre, fidelity to the old Missal became an external mark of identity; the reasons for the break which arose over this, however, were at a deeper level. Letter to the Bishops that accompanies the Apostolic Letter "Motu Proprio data" Summorum Pontificum on the Roman liturgy prior to the reform of 1970 (July 7, 2007) | BENEDICT XVI
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Jim
 
I did read it. I also have the reading comprehension skills to appreciate that the letter does not claim the SSPX is the reason for SP.
 
Archbishop Lefebvre is of SSPX.

The Society of Saint Pius X (Latin: Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X; also known as the SSPX or the FSSPX) is an international priestly fraternity founded in 1970 by the French Roman Catholic Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

Hope this helps.

Jim
 
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It’s actually the normative practice to abstain on all Fridays. The US Church in 1965 received an INDULT for non-Lenten Fridays, which is basically a permission ‘not to do’ what is NORMALLY done, for pastoral reason.
 
You’'ve said that before, but it doesn’t jibe with the actual letter nor with what other people on the commission say either. In fact I don’t think you have yet given us Cardinal O’Malley’s entire remarks, in context, because people (not you) can ‘selectively edit’ and make it appear that a person has made a statement that, in fact, the person has not made, although all the words in the ‘edited’ statement were words used by the person in question. . .just not used ‘in that way’, or used ‘in the context’ presented by the selective editor.
 
Consider, if you will, that perhaps the ‘dissent and division’ come about because well-intentioned people might be claiming things about the EF and people who speak well of it which aren’t really correct, and thus that those incorrect claims and errors are what need to be addressed and corrected.

The division (a false division) would in fact need to be cured by correction of the false information. So what looks like people ‘dissenting’ may in fact be people clarifying and correcting wrong information presented as ‘right’. And thus in the end the so-called ‘dividers and dissenters’ would be preventing and correcting the division.

Much as St. Athanasius, in fighting the Arian heresy, had to deal with the pro-Arian faction, which had spread to a majority of the world’s Christians, and by dint of constantly holding to the truth despite being exiled 5 times and under sentence of death by those who held him as a heretic and ‘dissenter’, wound up freeing Christianity from a pernicious heretical sect. . .
 
There were a number of diocesan priests who were turned down by their bishops to say the Latin Mass. Also there priests who became “independent” (or rogue) once certain groups built chapels for them. (Two right in my area; don’t think they exist anymore). I doubt if the FSSPX was the only reason for the SP. It might have been for Ecclesia Dei (1988).
 
I agree with “after Mass.” Yep!

And as far as the fist bump, it doesn’t offend me at all. Do it frequently with students, high school on down. Often, when I have playground duty, a little boy will come running up to me in tears or nearly so, because he’s been knocked about in a game. Once we’ve determined together that the hurt cannot be much–not so deep as a well, etc.–I give him a fist bump, say “strength and honor!” and send him on his way. Seems to give courage, rather than enabling fragility.
But I digress…age will do that…
 
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From Cardinal Sean O’Malley’s Blog site;
From Cleveland I flew to Rome at the request of Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone to participate in a meeting discussing the Holy Father’s Motu Proprio about the use of the older form of the Latin Mass. There were about 25 bishops there, including the president of Ecclesia Dei Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, the prefect of Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments Cardinal Francis Arinze, several heads of bishops’ conferences as well as some cardinals and other residential bishops.

They shared with us the Motu Proprio and the Holy Father’s letter explaining it. We also had an opportunity to read the Latin document. We each commented on that, and then the Holy Father came in and shared some of his thoughts with us. The Holy Father is obviously most concerned about trying to bring about reconciliation in the Church. There are about 600,000 Catholics who are participating in the liturgies of the Society of St. Pius X, along with about 400 priests.

Attending meetings in Rome – Cardinal Seán's Blog
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I don’t know why I had to go searching for this as Pope Benedict’s Letter to the Bishop says the same.

Jim
 
Prior to Motu proprio, yes because full use was not allowed and for good reason.

The division we’re seeing today in the Catholic Church over this, as evident in this very thread, is the reason why Pope John Paul II refused to compromise with Bishop Lefebvre.

We’re suppose to be one Church, not a church of Novus Ordo Catholics and TLM Catholics

Jim
 
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