Do you really believe that ?

[jmcrae]

While I respect your right to have an opinion, I think this one is inaccurate. There are many, many people in the Catholic Church who do not believe like you. There are liberal Catholics, moderate Catholics, and conservative Catholics. They pick and choose the beliefs that work for them, and they go to Mass on Sundays (and other days, sometimes), and they receive Communion (and the other sacraments), and they live their lives. Have the last word; I’m sure you will, based upon your other posts. But, an attitude such as yours --judgemental and self righteous-- is unconvincing of the truth and desireability of your views; instead, it makes your views repellant. I disagree with Black Jaque, and he disagrees with me, but at least I respect him because of the sincerity and civility with which he expressed his desire to have a dialogue with me. Take care, and be well.

I think her point was that a person cannot be “partly” Catholic. Either one is, or one is not.

We are all bound to believe the teachings of the Church and to follow the precepts and disciplines that pertain to our state in life.

We are each failing to do so in different ways, because we are all sinners, and the labels of “liberal” or “conservative” could be ways of identifying which side of the road we have fallen off of - but our goal should be to get back up on the road, rather than become identified by our method or style of falling out of it.

 

[stbruno]

I noticed in your profile Harmon that you follow the Byzantine spirituality. One of the wisest Byzantine priests that taught a class to us on the Theology of the Body is Fr. Thomas Loya.

Maybe you would consider a dialog with him…his website is
byzantinecatholic.com/aboutus.htm

 

[carol_marie]

What they say: You are far too conservative.

What they mean: You are far too faithful.

 

[Black_Jaque]

No thank you. I have no desire to dialogue with you. I don’t want to raise my blood pressure, which I think would likely happen because I disagree with your views strongly. But, I was curious to learn your views. And I sincerely thank you for taking the time to express them to me.

Do you disagree that dialogue is an effective means to discern the truth? It has been working for centuries. It is at the foundation of scientific progress (known as peer review journals).

Or are you not really that interested in knowing the truth?

I came to this Forum out of curiosity, and that has been pretty much satisfied. From what I can tell, folks here are far more conservative than I. So, I will not not be coming back here much more.

If you’re investigating forums to discern which ones suit your liberal/conservative tastes you’ve come to the wrong place. If you are genuinely seeking to learn the truth about various matters - stick around and dialogue. You just might have a few nuggets of truth to share with us.

I don’t come here because the place is loaded with “yes men”. I come here because I’m looking for a fight so-to-speak. If we all agreed, I’d be outta here in a hurry. While I might enjoy the company of people who agree with me, I don’t learn much from 'em.

Just out of curiosity, do you believe Hell is real? I mean you must have read my post, and understood the quirky position you put us in by posing the hypothetical question. I take it that since I believe that the hypothetical person who is unrepentent will go to Hell you judge me as being a judgemental person. But if that hypothetical unrepentent sinner doesn’t go to Hell, who does?

 

[fix]

Do you really believe that?

Namely, do you really believe that everything which the magisterium of the Catholic Church teaches is true ?

What is truth?

 

[Angela_Tate]

This discussion has reached its end per the OP in post #18. Thank you for your participation.