Do you support a synagogue on the Temple Mount?

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This leads me to ask: What is the ultimate reason for Israel wanting a synagogue on the Temple Mount? Jews certainly dont think that building one will bring on the second coming of Christ. And if they do build or try to build it will only cause more strife and death. I dont support any synagogues being built on the Temple Mount. It will not change the ultimate outcome of God’s plan for us.
 
Hello,

If Christians so much care about the temple. Why did they turn the place into a garbage dump and kick out every jew out of Jerusalem?!

Muslims had to heap garbage out of the place and restored jews to the city.

There was nothing in this area. Jews were hardly in Jerusalem and Christians have made it a big garbage dump!!! I wonder what right do u have to come condemn muslims!!! It was the Muslim Caliph that refused to pray in the Church of teh Holy sepelcure although invited to by the priest so that he ensures that it will be soley Christian territory. It was Muslism who allowed the jews back in the city after christians banished them.

God will judge and he is the best of judges .

salam
 
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It’s not my religion, it’s not my country, why would I have a say so in this?
 
Hello,

If Christians so much care about the temple. Why did they turn the place into a garbage dump and kick out every jew out of Jerusalem?!

Muslims had to heap garbage out of the place and restored jews to the city.

There was nothing in this area. Jews were hardly in Jerusalem and Christians have made it a big garbage dump!!! I wonder what right do u have to come condemn muslims!!! It was the Muslim Caliph that refused to pray in the Church of teh Holy sepelcure although invited to by the priest so that he ensures that it will be soley Christian territory. It was Muslism who allowed the jews back in the city after christians banished them.

God will judge and he is the best of judges .

salam
it is the common accepted practice when making an allegation based historic events that one present factual primary source evidence for that alleged history. Do you have any reliable attribution for this inflammatory remark (which by the way is against forum rules).
 
it is the common accepted practice when making an allegation based historic events that one present factual primary source evidence for that alleged history. Do you have any reliable attribution for this inflammatory remark (which by the way is against forum rules).
The Temple Mount (Haram esh-Sharif) in Islam

After the Muslim conquest of this region, the Temple Mount became known to Muslims as al-Haram al-Sharif (the Noble Sanctuary). It is regarded by Muslims as the third holiest site after Mecca and Medina.

The main reasons for the Temple Mount’s importance for Muslims are these:

Islam respects Abraham, David and Solomon as prophets, and regards the Temple as one of the earliest and most noteworthy places of worship of God. (However, some Muslims dispute that the Temple Mount is the site of the Jewish Temple.)
Verse 17:1 of the Qur’an speaks of the Prophet’s night journey to the “farthest Mosque” (al-masjid al-Aqsa). This is traditionally interpreted to be the site at the Temple Mount in Jerusalem on which the mosque of that name now stands.
Muhammad originally established Jerusalem as the qibla (direction of prayer) before changing it to Mecca.
According to Arab historians, when Muslims first entered the city of Jerusalem, the ruins of the Temple were being used as a rubbish dump by the Christian inhabitants, in order to humiliate the Jews and fulfill Jesus’ prophecy that not a stone would be left standing on another there. Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab is said to have been horrified at this, ordered it cleaned and performed prayer there at once.

sacred-destinations.com/israel/jerusalem-temple-mount.htm

This hall of arches was named Solomon’s Stables by the crusaders, because the Templar knights that inhabited the area in the 11th century used it **as a stable **(and the mosques as churches). Since 1996 there has been a mosque located in the stables called al-Marawani, in memory of the Caliph whose sons built the dome of the rock and whose grandson built the al-Aqsa mosque.

ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3219127,00.html

The Byzantine Christians used the area as a dump and it was in this state that a Muslim, Caliph Omar Ibn al-Khattab, found it. In 638 AD. he ordered the place cleaned and built a House of Prayers at the southern end of the sanctuary, the apparent Third Temple " Masjid-ul-Aqsa".

jews-for-allah.org/Why-Believe-in-Allah/Temple-Mount-restored-by-Muhammad.htm

The Temple Mount Transformed
Omar recognized the sanctity of the Temple Mount, perhaps at the behest of his Jewish advisors, Shortly after his arrival in Jerusalem he cleared the site of refuse, apparently with the aid of Jewish workers, where they came from is uncertain, and planned to erect a large mosque at its southern end. Among Omar’s close advisors was a converted Jew named Ka’ab El Akhbar. Ka’ab proposed that the mosque be erected on the northern side of the Temple Mount so that worshipers could face both the Foundation Stone and Mecca simultaneously. Omar rejected the proposal as an attempt at “Judaizing” Islam and the Mosque was subsequently built in the south, where the present-day El Aqsa stands, an effectively forcing worshipers to, literally, turn their backs to the Jewish holy place. From this it may be deduced that Moslems hadn’t yet associated Jerusalem and the Foundation Stone with the “Night Journey of Mohammed”.
The Gaullic bishop Arculf , who lived in Jerusalem from 679-688, describes the new mosque as a rectangular wooden structure, built over ruins and capable of accommodating 3000 worshipers.

Several accounts from this period noted that Jews and Jewish converts to Islam participated in clearing the Temple Mount at the time of Omar. Some of these sources even mention close cooperation between these two divergent groups. This seems strange given later Jewish attitudes towards the Temple Mount and apostates. Some modern scholars regard this phenomena as a by product of messianic anticipation which was produced by the political events of the mid-seventh century.

biu.ac.il/js/rennert/history_8.html

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According to Arab historians, when Muslims first entered the city of Jerusalem, the ruins of the Temple were being used as a rubbish dump by the Christian inhabitants, in order to humiliate the Jews and fulfill Jesus’ prophecy that not a stone would be left standing on another there.
So then we ARE to judge a religion’s teachings based on the actions of selected self-proclaimed adherents? Please give me an answer on this, as your position seems to jump back and forth.
Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab is said to have been horrified at this, ordered it cleaned and performed prayer there at once.
Well Alhamdolillah for the benevolent Umar, then! :rolleyes:
 
A nice big Cathedral up there would be nice. There is plenty of room. The bells could be heard all over town. In the Muslim quarter they blast the azan through megaphones right into churches.
They also do this in downtown Detroit (Hamtramck) and Dearborn, Michigan, and before long perhaps coming to a neighborhood near you. search.yahoo.com/search?p=call+to+prayer+hamtramck+dearborn&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
Quite annoying. Let’s put a synagogue also up there. The Muslims need to learn something we all learn in kindergarden…to share.
 
I don’t see it from this angle.

The Temple is the Temple. Putting up a synagogue wjould be a capitulation to the supremacy of Islam on that site.
But did God provide for that abomination to exist there, as the abomination of desolation?

Revelation 11:2: But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

If we try the “language” of prophecy of “each day for a year”, (the way that many of us understand 69 of Daniel’s 70 weeks or “sevens”), what does the math show us?

Using 30.44 days for an average month, multiplied by 42 months = 1278.5 days (as years). Subtracting this from 1967, which marked the end of the treading of the Gentiles and return of Jewish control in the holy city, we arrive at 688.5. This was the founding year of construction of the Dome of the Rock.

The Dome of the Rock was built in what was the Solomonic temple “court of the Gentiles” where even unwashed slaves were allowed to enter. It is about 300 feet from the temple site. Now review the verse again.
I am not one of those fundamentalist Christian Zionists pumping for the restoration of Zion to fulfill millenialist views, but every time I see that dome on the Temple rock it’s like a smack in the face.
It should be. It is specifically antichrist. Founding verses:

“O you People of the Book, overstep not bounds in your religion, and of God speak only the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is only an apostle of God, and his Word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him. Believe therefore in God and his apostles, and say not Three. It will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from his glory that he should have a son.”

It is ironic that while Muslims deny that Jesus is the Son of God, they must hold that their apostle Jesus is a liar since He declared He is the Son of God.
 
Before anybody builds or proposes to build anything, someone has to determine who legitimately owns the Temple Mount property. IF Jews own the property, they should be able to build whatever they want (they may risk an all out war with Islam, but they have been in that position before).

Does Isreal or do Muslims currently own this property ? Since Isreal controls Jerusalem do they now own all of the land within, or do they still recognize property rights ?

And yes, I do presuppose that most muslims are reasonable. The vast majority of muslims are not terrorist or fanatics. Granted they ALL overreacted to misquotes from our Pope. We either learn to deal with them in some reasonable fashion or you engage in an all out war.

No one can deal reasonably with the terrorist radical extremists. BUT someone should have some sort of dialogue with the moderates.

The vast majority of muslims are not involved in a jihad, but start tapering with their holy sites without their consent and they all might join the extremist. As someone else said, it is not our country, and it is not our decision.
 
No one can deal reasonably with the terrorist radical extremists. BUT someone should have some sort of dialogue with the moderates.
Didn’t the majority, which I presume includes more than a few so-called “moderates” vote Hamas in as their govenment?

Middle East Islamic countries are the seat of the leopard-bear-lion beast of Revelation. These are radical Islamic governments, not some little group of “extremists”, that behead their own Muslim nationals that convert to Christianity for example.

66619.org/thequran.htm
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Didn’t the majority, which I presume includes more than a few so-called “moderates” vote Hamas in as their govenment?

Middle East Islamic countries are the seat of the leopard-bear-lion beast of Revelation. These are radical Islamic governments, not some little group of “extremists”, that behead their own Muslim nationals that convert to Christianity for example.

66619.org/thequran.htm
66619.org/
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Valke—

Why do you use the term “Snapple___” what does it stand for?
 
Before anybody builds or proposes to build anything, someone has to determine who legitimately owns the Temple Mount property. IF Jews own the property, they should be able to build whatever they want (they may risk an all out war with Islam, but they have been in that position before).

Does Isreal or do Muslims currently own this property ? Since Isreal controls Jerusalem do they now own all of the land within, or do they still recognize property rights ?

And yes, I do presuppose that most muslims are reasonable. The vast majority of muslims are not terrorist or fanatics. Granted they ALL overreacted to misquotes from our Pope. We either learn to deal with them in some reasonable fashion or you engage in an all out war.

No one can deal reasonably with the terrorist radical extremists. BUT someone should have some sort of dialogue with the moderates.

The vast majority of muslims are not involved in a jihad, but start tapering with their holy sites without their consent and they all might join the extremist. As someone else said, it is not our country, and it is not our decision.
See know that is some reasonable thinking. I think the temple should be up there although I think this person is right.
 
Valke—

Why do you use the term “Snapple___” what does it stand for?
When you drink Snapple fruit drinks, the caps have little factoids on them. Like: The sound of a duck quacking produces no echo.
 
If Christians can persecute Jews for centuries, why can’t Jews destroy the Church of the Nativity, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and bar all Christians from entering Israel?
What possible principle would justify destroying the Al Aqsa, that wouldn’t also logically justify the destruction of every Christian Church in Palestine?
His point was not that Isreal should destroy the mosque but by the standard set by Muslims it could be justified. Yes Isreal could use the same logic against Churches there. There are however differences. Christians would have no problem with Isreal building a synagogue or temple anywhere they can find the room to do it. So If Isreal could find a way to build their synagogue on the temple mound then Chrisitians wouldn’t care. For Muslims though it would likely be an international incident.

The Muslims have already raided the caverns beneath mound which likely held many priceless artifacts from Isreal’s legacy in the area and put an additional mosque there just so the Isrealies couldn’t get in there. Muslims see the temple mound, a location they have no historical claim too as their personal property. They see Jerusalem a city they have no historical claim too as their city.
 
Can you imagine how the world would change if the Islamic world were to concede this point and allow Israel to rebuild the Temple? That would be huge.
 
You mean the Temple should be rebuilt rather than a synagogue, I take it. But rebuilding the Temple requires the reinstitution of the Aaronic priesthood as well - no one else could serve in the Temple. Are there any Jews who can trace their descent back to him who can take that job on?
Yes, there are a class of Jews known as the Cohenim (I’m not sure if I’m spelling that right) who are pure-blood Levites.

Their current role in the Synagogue is purely ceremonial, but their traditions are handed down to them from father to son - if the Temple were to be rebuilt, they would know who they are, and they would know what to do.
And remember that there were plenty of synagogues alongside the Temple in the time of Jesus - he himself worshipped at both the Temple and the synagogues. So in what way is a synagogue meant to replace the Temple ‘in its absence’ exactly??
In Jesus’ day, the Temple was the place where the Sacrifices were made, and the Synagogue was where the Word was proclaimed - where the teaching happened.

In Catholic terms, the Liturgy of the Word took place in the Synagogue, and the Liturgy of the Sacrifice(s) took place at the Temple.
 
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