Do you support the second amendment?

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That is your perspective. Since due process is a constitutionally protected right in and of itself, I still see hypocrisy, just like the hypocrisy of railing against judges who expand other constitutional rights as activist, but are all for expanding the Second Amendment beyond that which is needed for a “well regulated militia.”
The problem is the progressives in Congress want to suspend due process.
No one that I know of is asking for an expansion of the second amendment. An expansion isn’t needed. What Heller and MscDonald do is affirm the historic understanding. No more be done.
 
Wait, so hunting is not killing?

…and you target shoot to become adroit at listening for rounds leaving the guns and hitting the target?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I think the reason you see democratic administrations in cities is because the Republican ethos of “minimal government” only works super-well in rural environments. It breaks down when exposed to urban centers that requires more rules to govern closer and more frequent human interactions.
That’s a curious POV considering that Detroit didn’t start its decline while Republicans were in city government. New York did much better under Guliani than under extremists like the mayor there now.
The problem is progressives view rules in terms of controlling people’s lives. That’s not the job of government, unless it is authoritarian or totalitarian
 
I should add that I get why conservatives are scared of a slippery slope here. Abortion restrictions are also a slippery slope. I personally don’t have a problem regulating guns more than we do right now. Ditto abortions. And I am talking about these insanely powerful machine guns, rifles, etc., not basic firearms and rifles. I don’t mind increased pressure on the NRA right now.
 
Can’t remember where I heard this line but I love it: ‘Planned Parenthood is the NRA of the left.’ (and vice versa I guess)
Absolute nonsense. Here is just one difference.
When someone kills, the NRA condemns it.
When babies are killed, Planned Parenthood celebrates, even sells the parts.

Here’s another:
The NRA was founded as a civil rights organization
Planned Parenthood was founded as a racist eugenics organization
 
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I should add that I get why conservatives are scared of a slippery slope here. Abortion restrictions are also a slippery slope. I personally don’t have a problem regulating guns more than we do right now. Ditto abortions. And I am talking about these insanely powerful machine guns, rifles, etc., not basic firearms and rifles. I don’t mind increased pressure on the NRA right now.
The NRA stated that it is not opposed to greater sanctions on bump stocks.
When Pelosi states she hopes there’s a slippery slope, one can imagine any number of tyrants saying the same
 
Both Planned Parenthood and the NRA resist restrictions to the death (no pun intended). It is about ‘my body’ or ‘my gun.’ It never takes into account the common good. Libertarianism - the left and the right meet. I would respect the NRA a lot more if they spoke out against some of these weapons, helped get them off the market and off our streets. I am ok with self-defense.
 
So you go to those other states and bring them to California or speak to one of those reputable dealers that facilitate guns with a wink and a nod!
No. That’s a felony.

If I drove to NV and tried to buy a firearm from a dealer I would be asked for my NV driver’s license and some sort of proof (usually a utility bill) that I was a NV resident. I wouldn’t be sold the firearm without correct documentation. It’s a felony for the dealer as well.
 
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Put it this way: Guns are used to kill, be it animals or humans. Killing is their job.
Is there something wrong with shooting animals for food? Even today there are famies who live off the food they hunt.
It is terrible when guns kill people. They were used by socialist tyrants to kill tens of millions of civilians in the last century. Government has by far the worse record in this regard.

But guns also killed the people who committed genocide against the Jews, and liberated entire countries from tyranny in the last century.

Like any other tool, they are only as good or bad as the person who has it
 
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Both Planned Parenthood and the NRA resist restrictions to the death (no pun intended). It is about ‘my body’ or ‘my gun.’ It never takes into account the common good. Libertarianism - the left and the right meet. I would respect the NRA a lot more if they spoke out against some of these weapons, helped get them off the market and off our streets. I am ok with self-defense.
What weapons? Those the popular media condemn?
 
Guns are not tools, they are weapons whose purpose is to kill. This is just in regard to the “X” kills people too, be it food, cars, tools, etc…argument.
 
Both Planned Parenthood and the NRA resist restrictions to the death (no pun intended). It is about ‘my body’ or ‘my gun.’ It never takes into account the common good. Libertarianism - the left and the right meet. I would respect the NRA a lot more if they spoke out against some of these weapons, helped get them off the market and off our streets. I am ok with self-defense.
They did. But more importantly, they speak out against killing all of the time. Planned Parenthood celebrates killing
 
…hey, but that’s ok, no worries, no one keeps tabs!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Nothing wrong with hunting… just, why do you have to have access to guns that can put upwards of ten rounds in bamby before you feast on it?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Nothing wrong with hunting… just, why do you have to have access to guns that can put upwards of ten rounds in bamby before you feast on it?
Hunting is not the only reason to own firearms.

The Second Amendment also says nothing about limiting magazine capacity.

Rifles with magazines holding more than 10 rounds have been readily available to American citizens since at least the 1960’s. Back when there were no “mass killings” to speak of. In fact decades before. What changed? Not the firearms…
 
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Ok, let’s do the math:

60% of guns related to imprisonment for youth offenses with guns are traced back to authorized dealers:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) issued a comprehensive report in 2000 detailing firearms trafficking investigations involving more than 84,000 diverted firearms, finding that federally licensed firearms dealers were associated with the largest number of trafficked guns – over 40,000 – and concluded that the dealers’ “access to large numbers of firearms makes them a particular threat to public safety when they fail to comply with the law.”3

According to ATF, one percent of federally licensed firearms dealers are responsible for selling almost 60 percent of the guns that are found at crime scenes and traced to dealers.
ATF’s limited compliance inspections between 2008 and 2010 found that over 62,000 firearms were missing from licensees’ inventories with no record of sale.6 The Bureau also identified over 16,000 firearms that had disappeared from gun manufacturers’ inventories without explanation between 2009 and the middle of 2011
So all the illegal guns come from Mexico and Algiers?:

According to ATF, one percent of federally licensed firearms dealers are responsible for selling almost 60 percent of the guns that are found at crime scenes and traced to dealers. (Statistics | Giffords)

…did I make that up?
…of course the ATF may be lying!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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Is this on?

Did you not see any of the remakes of the battles of the colonies and England?

Back then a rapid fire meant a short hand-held that could be prep and shot wildly fast compare to its counterpart:
**What I gave above are LOADING times. This is different from firing separations. Because muskets are horrendously inaccurate, volley lines were a must. So firing separations (typically 20 seconds) also include firing commands being issued. Also, the times (and those for other answers) are based on troops equipped with load pouches. You had a small cloth bag with a premeasured amount of gun power. You would dump the contents of the bag into the musket then use the bag itself as the wadding. Especially in the 17th century, use of power horns and separate wadding was standard which significantly increased time to load. (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080103065021AASkPpj)
I couldn’t find a better link–but do the math, the muskets would take longer than the hand-guns (or whatever they’re called); yet, consider that people would be lined up (3 thick) to be somewhat effective… so you want to compare today’s weapon’s destructive power to them yonder chunks?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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