Do you support the second amendment?

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Individual guns should be registered. So should owners. Guns should be stored at approved armoires and issued on request for lawful purposes, and then returned.
 
FiveLinden:

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With respect, I am wondering if there is an element of idolatry in the attitudes of some to the constitution of the US, the second amendment, and guns themselves.
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You know what I was thinking FiveLinden . . .

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With respect, I am wondering if there is an element of idolatry in the attitudes of some to concerning inflated views of THEMSELVES knowing better than our forefathers in setting up Governance over our nation.
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Also from FiveLinden . . .
The irrationality of the rejection of the obvious safety concerns, the rejection of the evidence easily found from around the world and the elements of obsession around the possession of weapons all seem to point to this.
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Do you think FiveLinden’s “obsession around the possession of weapons” is . . .
  1. Focused on law breakers.
  2. Focused on Police.
  3. Focused on Military.
  4. Focused on guards for politicians. . . . OR . . .
  5. Focused against good honest law-abiding citizens.
FiveLinden . . . .
With so many millions of unarmed people killed by Governments and “bad guys” it got me thinking . . . .

The irrationality of the rejection of the obvious safety concerns, the rejection of the evidence easily found from around the world and the elements of obsession around the possession of absolute Government power all seem to point to this.
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Absolutely not. These armories would need to be guarded constantly.

And trust the American government with such sensitive information? 🤣
 
Another linear, non-holistic analysis by vox. Gun-grabbers always do nothing but quote headlines with maps and charts that have very poor analyses.

Most mass-shootings in America happen in gun-FREE zones. Would you care to explain to me how guns end up in a gun free zone?

Also, the largest amount of gun violence is areas where there is the most gun control. Every one likes to talk about Vegas, but Chicago can have that many murders in a week.

Crowder was right “the gun debate is between two parties: gun owners and the uninformed”.
 
To our law enforcement friends here at CAF.

Here is FiveLinden again . . . .

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Guns should be stored at approved armoires
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First of all thanks for your service and all of the protections you give us as citizens.

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But please beware of the FiveLindens of this world who want you to store your firearm “at approved armoires” before you go home from another day of risking your life.

And concerning my Law Enforcement friends and family (my son-in-law is in law enforcement), we know your risk does not end when you “leave the office” at the end of the day.

Please note my prayers go out to you and your families for your safety. Again. Many thanks to you (and many thanks to our military too).

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Citizens should not accept this ungrateful and dangerous position of FiveLinden’s.
Our law enforcement friends and family should not accept this position of FiveLinden either.
 
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Lot of good it will do if you’re a 110 lb 4’11 woman and your ex is trying to blast through the front door…
 
where are you from? we have a right to personal ownership not locked in an armory somewhere.
 
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where are you from? we have a right to personal ownership not locked in an armory somewhere.
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I am from New Zealand. Our gun laws do not require armoires. That’s my idea. but handguns, broadly speaking are not allowed, all owners must be police approved and checked, all guns must be safely secured, and police are not routinely armed. Our gun deaths are 1.5 per million compared to 32 in the USA. Our police are not routinely armed. The right to bear arms derives from the constitution in the US. It is not a divine right, a natural right or a human right. It is simply a result of law.
 
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Indianapolis FedEx mass shooting: America’s gun violence rates, in 16 maps and charts - Vox
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look at gun control capital crazyfornia how can there be so many mass shootings with all of their gun laws? and gun control city chiraqi has over 26 mass shootings.

how’s that gun control working?
October 23, 2017 California Clearlake Oaks 13000 block of Anchor Village 2 2
January 4, 2017 California Fontana 14520 Village Drive 3 1
August 13, 2017 California Sacramento 4000 Block of Martin Luther King Jr Blvd 0 4
April 15, 2017 California Banning 900 block of N Allen St 0 4
January 6, 2017 California Pasadena 100 block of W Claremont St 2 2
August 14, 2017 California North Hollywood Morrison St and Klump Ave 2 2
January 12, 2017 California Salinas 500 block of Sunrise St 2 2
September 23, 2017 California Bakersfield 818 Real Rd 1 4
February 15, 2017 California Salinas 30 Soledad Street 0 4
March 24, 2017 California Fresno 300 block of South Villa Avenue 1 4
July 19, 2017 California Los Angeles Imperial Hwy and Broadway 1 3
April 16, 2017 California Vallejo 110 Calhoun Street 0 4
April 29, 2017 California Compton 2000 Block of N Nestor Ave 0 4
April 29, 2017 California Los Angeles (Boyle Heights) Murchison St and Lancaster Ave 1 3
January 20, 2017 California Fresno 4700 block of E Montecito Ave 0 4
August 1, 2017 California Fresno Mariposa St and A St 0 7
March 3, 2017 California Riverside 8300 block of Trey Ave 0 5
August 6, 2017 California Oakland 1000 block of 106th Avenue 0 7
June 2, 2017 California Los Angeles 89th St and Broadway 1 3
March 4, 2017 California Sacramento 2500 block of 33rd St 0 4
August 27, 2017 California Sacramento 7760 24th St 1 4
June 14, 2017 California San Francisco 720 San Bruno 4 2
April 1, 2017 California Pittsburg 100 block of Madoline Street 0 5
September 3, 2017 California Inglewood 10100 block of S Firmona Ave 2 3
April 29, 2017 California Whittier 10000 block of Carmentia Rd 1 5
October 10, 2017 California San Francisco 25th St and Treat Ave 0 4
April 29, 2017 California Sacramento 3800 block of 26th Avenue 0 5
April 30, 2017 California San Diego 9080 Judicial Dr 2 6
October 12, 2017 California Aliso Viejo 6 Asbury Ct 2 2
July 1, 2017 California Oakland 3200 Humboldt Ave 0 4
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where are you from? we have a right to personal ownership not locked in an armory somewhere.
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I am from New Zealand. Our gun laws do not require armoires. That’s my idea. but handguns, broadly speaking are not allowed, all owners must be police approved and checked, all guns must be safely secured, and police are not routinely armed. Our gun deaths are 1.5 per million compared to 32 in the USA. Our police are not routinely armed. The right to bear arms derives from the constitution in the US. It is not a divine right, a natural right or a human right. It is simply a result of law.
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you have roughly 4.6 million people spread out over a few islands. i don’t think you can compare.

self defense is a natural right. man doesn’t give up his life without fighting back.
 
Well I don’t know, maybe people get their guns from other states and maybe, umm, drive them to California?
 
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FiveLinden said:
Individual guns should be registered. So should owners. Guns should be stored at approved armoires and issued on request for lawful purposes, and then returned.
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So, just a few questions about your unconstitutional idea.
  1. how do you think law enforcement will feel about their firearms being kept at the armory ?
  2. how do you propose to get criminals to register their guns and keep them at the armory? Won’t this be difficult for police to do since since their guns are at the armory?
Or, does this only apply to law abiding citizens, not criminals and not government?

A note since you are not American: this could not be done without a constitutional amendment.
 
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Individual guns should be registered. So should owners. Guns should be stored at approved armoires and issued on request for lawful purposes, and then returned.
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If I need my firearm to protect myself and my family (a clearly lawful purpose) from a criminal in my home, how do I manage to get the criminal to wait while I go to the armory and get it?
 
FiveLinden said:
The right to bear arms derives from the constitution in the US. It is not a divine right, a natural right or a human right. It is simply a result of law.
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That’s not what the Supreme Court has said. It is an inherent civil and human right, not granted nor provided by government. All rights are antecedent to government, including this one.
The constitution did not create rights, it only enumerates some and protects all from government.
 
I’m thinking really if you want to affect the murder by hand guns… crack down in the large cities… That’s where the majority of deaths by shooting occur, right? Law enforcement needs to crack down on unlawful owners… possessors…
 
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