Do you support the second amendment?

[Spyridon]

Exactly.

Walk down Main St with an AR-15 and ask 100 people what type of weapon you’re carrying.

I bet at least 90 out of 100 will say “an assault rifle.” I guarentee less than 10 will say “why, that’s a modern sporting rifle!”

 

[Spyridon]

If you can achieve the literal exact same thing with an elastic band as you can with a bump stock, then why do people pay hundreds of dollars and how do bumpstock manufacturers sell thousands of units of product?

 

[JonNC]

I understand the technical terminology.

But the common sense view is this:

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That is a sporting rifle

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That is an assault rifle.

I will never call AR or AK style rifles sporting rifles. They are assault rifles designed for combat. And again I will repeat this - I am an expert marksman per the US Military and I am a firearms enthusiast.

Calling an AK-47 a sporting rifle, to me, is disingenuous. It is an assault rifle.

If it isn’t selectable to fully automatic, it isn’t an assault rifle. It doesn’t matter what it looks like.

 

[Spyridon]

But it does matter.

Appearances mean more than techicalities in the context of the average American regarding firearms

 

[Vonsalza]

as·sault ri·fle
noun
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.

…seems to fit the bill to me, Jon. It’s semi-automatic.

 

[JonNC]

I disagree.

Something can be de jure one way yet de facto another.

Mickey Mouse could be King of Disney de jure but Donald Duck could be King of Disney de facto.

An AR-15 may be a “modern sporting rifle” de jure, but the de facto consensus is it is an assault rifle.

Your position is one of political posturing. Facts are facts. If it isn’t automatic, it isn’t an assault rifle.

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Mossberg 715 Tactical Semi Auto Rifle .22 LR

It looks like an assault weapon, but it is a semi-auto, and a .22 LR.
It is not an assault weapon, no matter what someone thinks it looks like.

 

[MonteRCMS]

You can buy it painted pink, which removes it from “assault rifle” category.

 

[JonNC]

as·sault ri·fle
noun
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.

…seems to fit the bill to me, Jon. It’s semi-automatic.

An AR-15 is not a rapid fire. It is a semi-automatic. One squeeze, one round.
Rapid fire would be fully automatic or a machine gun.
Name the American infantry unit that uses semi-automatic AR-15’s in combat.

 

[JonNC]

But it does matter.

Appearances mean more than techicalities in the context of the average American regarding firearms

Appearance means nothing in terms of its function. It is function that determines whether or not it is an assault rifle.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

as·sault ri·fle
noun
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.

…seems to fit the bill to me, Jon. It’s semi-automatic.

An AR-15 is not a rapid fire. It is a semi-automatic. One squeeze, one round.
Rapid fire would be fully automatic or a machine gun.
Name the American infantry unit that uses semi-automatic AR-15’s in combat.

Why just ARs?

Absolutely anyone issued an M1A (or clone), especially in those snazzy EBR stocks (which cost nearly as much as the rifle itself ) is firing a semi-automatic weapon.

Plenty of American operators prefer that setup.

 

[Spyridon]

Assault rifles are medium caliber like 5.56 and 7.62, not .22LR.

And if someone has an AR-15 with pink coloring they still have an assault rifle.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

Vonsalza:

as·sault ri·fle
noun
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.

…seems to fit the bill to me, Jon. It’s semi-automatic.

An AR-15 is not a rapid fire. It is a semi-automatic. One squeeze, one round.
Rapid fire would be fully automatic or a machine gun.
Name the American infantry unit that uses semi-automatic AR-15’s in combat.

Why just ARs?

Absolutely anyone issued an M1A, especially in those snazzy EBR stocks (which cost nearly as much as the rifle itself ) is firing a semi-automatic weapon.

How many units have gone into combat with the semi-auto M1A instead of the M14?

 

[upant]

marketing. it was marketed to the disabled

according to Slide Fire, the device “is intended to assist persons whose hands have limited mobility to ‘bump-fire’ an AR-15 type rifle.”

how many know about the rubber band trick? how many knew about bump stocks before las vegas.

and a rubber band is not the best quality control item.

but if you don’t have a bump-stock that is designed to work a rubber band will

i also heard about using your belt loop for the same result

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

JonNC:

Vonsalza:

as·sault ri·fle
noun
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.

…seems to fit the bill to me, Jon. It’s semi-automatic.

An AR-15 is not a rapid fire. It is a semi-automatic. One squeeze, one round.
Rapid fire would be fully automatic or a machine gun.
Name the American infantry unit that uses semi-automatic AR-15’s in combat.

Why just ARs?

Absolutely anyone issued an M1A, especially in those snazzy EBR stocks (which cost nearly as much as the rifle itself ) is firing a semi-automatic weapon.

How many units have gone into combat with the semi-auto M1A instead of the M14?

Ah, yeah, that’s the military designation. M1A is the civvie version.

It’s still operated in a semi-auto configuration. You don’t shoot .308 win from the shoulder in a full-auto configuration, Jon. Not if you want to hit anything.

 

[Vonsalza]

marketing. it was marketed to the disabled

according to Slide Fire, the device “is intended to assist persons whose hands have limited mobility to ‘bump-fire’ an AR-15 type rifle.”

You remind me of the folks that also say “anyone with a few tools can readily convert a semi-auto rifle into full auto”.

 

[JonNC]

Ah, yeah, that’s the military designation. M1A is the civvie version.

Ah, it’s a civilian rifle. The M14 is a selectable. It can be set to fully automatic. Not the civilian M1A

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Ah, yeah, that’s the military designation. M1A is the civvie version.

Ah, it’s a civilian rifle. The M14 is a selectable. It can be set to fully automatic. Not the civilian M1A

It can be, sure. But it’s operated as a semi auto rifle.

Again, it fires .308, Jon.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

Vonsalza:

Ah, yeah, that’s the military designation. M1A is the civvie version.

Ah, it’s a civilian rifle. The M14 is a selectable. It can be set to fully automatic. Not the civilian M1A

It can be, sure. But it’s operated as a semi auto rifle.

Again, it fires .308, Jon.

The M1A cannot be fully automatic, so that makes it civilian, and not an assault rifle.

 

[JonNC]

Calling an AK-47 a sporting rifle, to me, is disingenuous. It is an assault rifle.

I didn’t mention AK-47. Is it fully automatic or selectable? If so, it is an assault rifle. If there is a civilian version that is not fully automatic or selectable, it wouldn’t be an assault rifle.

It is pretty simple:
Selectable or fully automatic? Assault weapon
Semi-automatic only? Not an assault weapon

 

[upant]

You remind me of the folks that also say “anyone with a few tools can readily convert a semi-auto rifle into full auto”.

macgyver !!

it used to be easy but those guns are no longer sold.

now a rumor or two has it that the h&k vp70z will get dirty enough to auto fire by itself.

a few sites list books that can be had that gives instructions for various conversions. one claims you can convert a ruger 10/22 with a drill press and some good digital calipers.

fake? i don’t know.